After #3 I only have one Question - Ruby will you marry me??

northdallas1968 · 2006-01-13 01:37:20

I could listen to those beautiful moans and see that beautiful agony every day! Better yet would actually be causing that agony!

Ok I could be going overboard but I will be watching that one over and over and over!

Northdallas1968
Dallas, Texas USA

erdna · 2006-01-13 05:16:56

Ruby, beware of the sex pistol, northdallas1968 means serious business.:)

Garybob · 2006-01-18 06:43:08

Actually, a marriage proposal based solely upon one's ability to have earthshaking orgasm-after-orgasm is folly. Ruby is a temptress without question. However, you can't live your entire life in the bedroom, so-to-speak. Other facets of your/her life are also germain. As stated, Ruby is very sexy. But does she drink or use drugs, does she swear excessively? Would you want her to be the mother of your grandchildren's parents?

Personally, I see the women on this and any other porn site as very sexy, very alluring and very desirable. But that desire ends at the threshold of the bedroom door. I mean no disrespect to ANYONE, but I would not want to marry a woman who performed sexual acts, clothes or not, in ANY public arena. Say what you want about that but the years pass. Long after the woman finally matures and gets over the need to fulfill her yearning for the attention she gets from being and performing sexually in front of strangers, the record is made and the risk of her descendants learning of her life of debauchery remains. Not something I would want to saddle on my children!!!

I love you Ruby. You're sexy as hell and a real boost to my libido. But marriage? I thinketh not!

Ceredwyn · 2006-01-18 07:00:19

Garybob wrote:

Long after the woman finally matures and gets over the need to fulfill her yearning for the attention she gets from being and performing sexually in front of strangers, the record is made and the risk of her descendants learning of her life of debauchery remains.

But the link says all artists here are over 18... I don't think in general it is a 'need' though, from comments from the artists - although they may well chip in to correct me.

That aside, I know RL one of the descendants of Lily St Cyr, who also happens to be a dead ringer for the lady in question. The family's rather proud of the connection, and she's definitely happy to be associated with 'The most beautiful woman of the ages'. Then again, so would I be if I had those genes...damn.

achristmas · 2006-01-18 16:32:56

Hey if we're throwing marriage proposals out there...I'd like to extend one or a series of them to:

Ms's # 98, 348, 353, 358, 379, and 398...

I'm attractive, wealthy and available... LOL

erdna · 2006-01-18 18:31:30

Marriage is like a lottery. When you buy a ticket you never now what will be the result. But if you never buy a ticket nothing will happens. I understand northdallas1968, his proposal is as good as one knowing the girl for several years. The long term result is unknown anyway.On the other hand, we start to know Ruby quite well. She is one of most honest girl for me. Her performance is outstanding. Frankness, honest, sexy, beautiful, articulate... what else do you want? I have the greatest respect for her and since she is originaly from London England (according ISM), it's even better since she reminds me my former british girlfriend.
When you are an artist (and I suppose BA agonees are on that type) you have to be able to show your body and intimate things. When a writer does an essay, he/she is providing us with some intimate things of their life. It is false that children later when they are grown adult will be ashamed of their mother who has shown her body provided it has been done with some art. Look at Playboy or Penthouse model. Do you think their children are ashamed. Not at all, on the contrary they are probably very proud. You have also to keep in mind that after few years it's not obvious to remember somebody face. It takes a while sometime to match a BA face with the same person on AW or ISM.

PC elmo · 2006-01-18 19:31:24

Careful, achristmas -- your local laws are probably a lot less strict about erotica than they are about polygamy!

On a somber note, I, too, cannot envision myself ever marrying someone with this kind of background, and there is a part of me that has some difficulty with that realization. The down-side to that outside-of-time thing is that it really puts my head through the wash sometimes, and this is one of those areas I usually find at least a little mind-boggling. With new things, I can't help but imagine whatever is new from all possible angles -- if I were to date someone who appears on this site, for example, I'd probably be aware at some level what it'd be like tell those stories to my grandkids someday (or maybe telling stories to another older man or woman while we watch the grandchildren play). Also, it seems proper that how I feel about marrying someone who appears on this site should somehow match up with how I would feel if I were already married, and my wife then wanted to appear here. There are already couples who have done that to varying degrees.

Well, however all the pieces and considerations are going to fit together, I am certain of one thing that probably does apply to a lot of other people -- I would be very uncomfortable hiding, denying, erasing, disclaiming, etc. important things from my someday-in-the-future wife's and my past, especially something as personal as Beautiful Agony. It'd feel dishonest and a lot of other icky things to separate myself from things I was proud of when I did them. I don't have a problem with waiting until a person is old enough to talk about it, but I think that if you're truly proud of what you do today and of the lasting records you make now, you will not be ashamed of having done it long after these present times have past. That's great Ceredwyn's friend is happy about her heritage; I'd hope the ancestor is (or would be) just as proud of her actions now as when she did them.

PC elmo · 2006-01-18 19:45:50

Well, I managed to do that again. At least this time I had the excuse of the TV repair man taking forever. Also couldn't get the site to respond, but only for a few minutes this time. Anyway...

Yes, erdna, I believe that is true, but I don't think it's the case for everyone. In a way, we don't really understand how we think and feel about these things until we actually connect it to someone close to us or important to us. Also, sadly, whatever the person did is not always as artistic or to-be-proud-of as BA and friends. But feeling like I could never marry someone from this site has nothing to do with how honorable it is to appear here or (for me) what our children would someday think of it. That sentiment is all about something within me. (IMO)

inertia186 · 2006-01-19 00:23:36

http://www.rubystuff.com/shirts.html

Garybob · 2006-01-19 05:50:57

erdna wrote:

Marriage is like a lottery. When you buy a ticket you never now what will be the result. But if you never buy a ticket nothing will happens. I understand northdallas1968, his proposal is as good as one knowing the girl for several years. The long term result is unknown anyway.On the other hand, we start to know Ruby quite well. She is one of most honest girl for me. Her performance is outstanding. Frankness, honest, sexy, beautiful, articulate... what else do you want? I have the greatest respect for her and since she is originaly from London England (according ISM), it's even better since she reminds me my former british girlfriend.
When you are an artist (and I suppose BA agonees are on that type) you have to be able to show your body and intimate things. When a writer does an essay, he/she is providing us with some intimate things of their life. It is false that children later when they are grown adult will be ashamed of their mother who has shown her body provided it has been done with some art. Look at Playboy or Penthouse model. Do you think their children are ashamed. Not at all, on the contrary they are probably very proud. You have also to keep in mind that after few years it's not obvious to remember somebody face. It takes a while sometime to match a BA face with the same person on AW or ISM.

Well, you may have a point there about the lottery thing. However, spending time with someone outside of the bedroom....lots of time is generally a good way to at least get an idea of a reference for the future.

As to the playboy thing, is it really false Erdna that children of such, ahem "artists" as you refer to them, do not feel ashamed of their parents. Have you done some sort of field study in this area or do you personally know such offspring? While I have no basis to doubt your resourcefulness, I would boldly posit that few of such children would be happy to bring in a playboy bunny mother to class and explain what she does for a living. If you are sure that I am wrong about this, then I humbly yield to your wisdom and experience.

Let me ask you this: How would you feel about putting nude pictures or sexual video clips of YOUR mother online for the whole world to see, hmmm? How would you feel if 10 years after the fact, your mother's sexual enterprises are still floating around the internet and your friends sat around jerking off while watching her? Would you feel "proud" enough to invite your buddies over for a cold brewski, some pretzels and pass out socks soaked in baby oil just in case one of them felt the urge to spank the monkey while watching your mother spread-eagle on the carpet? I don't know where you hold on such issues but I certainly would not be in favor of such a scenario and neither would anyone I know that has a healthy mother-child relationship.

al · 2006-01-19 17:53:19

For heaven's sake, stop offering doubts for future contributers!
(Or hell's if you want...)

erdna · 2006-01-20 07:19:26

What makes BA very special and we all agree with that is the fact that BA is way less commercial than most of the low class so called erotic site on the internet. And that's why girls and guys (next door type and not venal) are submitting. They can consider BA as a honest site which is more directed toward art and erotism than pornography.Therefore, an agonee can easily consider herself as a sort of artist and that's what I understand after seeing their confessions. Just review the Overkill of Ms#363 (Overkill K0017) with her mother talking freely about their sexuality. Then why a member wouldn't fall in love after seeing an agonee and knowing her even better after her confession. I think Liandra needs to come and explains us few things. Guys, I am sorry to tell you but as a group we are really in late with respect to women in sexuality matter and how to perceive it. Again as a group, we are still too often reacting as male chauvinist pigs. Nobody owns nobody. If we are members of a site such as BA and be delighted to see those agonees, lets be honest and fair and modern. The agonees are as respectable as we are, we the "voyeurs". I could hope that confessions would teach the male audience few things but I can see the road is still long to travel.

Garybob · 2006-01-20 23:22:35

Al:

Thanks for the suggestion but I very highly doubt that any potential contributors will be deterred my My ramblings. Yu give me way too much credit.

Erdna:

You are a very perceptive guy. I like your ideas and I can really appreciate the way you think. High 5's to you mate.

PC elmo · 2006-01-21 01:11:41

... ??? Ok, I'm confused. I'm glad you responded before I did, though, Garybob -- at least we can all get along!

I do have a pinch or two more to say, though. I guess I just don't see having a long road to travel as something to celebrate. IMHO, I am NOT still too often reacting as a male chauvinist pig, and what the confessions teach me has nothing to do with respect to women. In fact, I'm usually the one goading myself to speak up when I think something needs to be said, especially in the ugly face of chauvinism. I am also comfortable in asserting that most of the regular participants in this forum, male and female alike, are with me on at least one of these two points, if not both.

Maybe you two have just been spending too much time with the wrong kind of guys. And Garybob, if you happen to live in an apartment, I feel sorry for whoever has to share laundry facilities with you!

erdna · 2006-01-21 06:40:21

Thanks Garybob, I have to admit that I can act sometimes as a male chauvinist too but I know it's wrong. I really prefer to deal with girls on a same equality level. That kind of girls is more appealing to me and they better know what they want or do not want.
What my post is saying is that girls doing some artistic and erotic performances like in BA are OK and I would have a date with them (at least my favorite ones) anytime and possibly have a serious relationship with them. Why not.
Thanks too PC elmo for your follow up. I understand what people can feel looking at a girl on BA and about having a relationship with them. But I believe the reaction of many is that they are actually not at ease about what their family or friends would think about such a girl. We should react more for ourselves instead of wondering what others think. Jo what do you think?

Jo · 2006-01-21 14:47:42

erdna wrote:

We should react more for ourselves instead of wondering what others think. Jo what do you think?

Erdna, cause you asked a rhetorical question, you already answered your question by yourself: We should react more for ourselves instead of wondering what others think.

And let me add (again!): not just react, but also speak!

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By the way I have to agree to PC elmos statement.

erdna · 2006-01-21 18:21:24

Thanks Jo, speaking or writing, this is what I am doing. I just can have that kind of discussion (the type I have on this forum) with very few friends only. I will add that the family is the best and the worst thing ever. The best for an obvious reason and the worst in the case where the family takes too much place and put pressure on an individual to the point of making this individual a sort of prisoner. Obviously, the agonees on BA seem to have freed themselves from this kind of pressure and I want to thank them all for that. One has to keep distance from a family in order to redefine his/her values and makes bond again with family but at his/her own conditions. A mutual acceptance like the one shown with daughter/mother overkill is ideal.

PC elmo · 2006-01-21 21:09:55

That's an interesting twist, and I think it's very relevant to one's marriage ideals. Connected and supported, but free of crushing pressure and imprisoning constraint. True, none of the contributors would be doing what they're doing if they were under the thumb of their parents. There is much to be said in favor of making one's own path while still valuing bonds like family.

I would even take it a step further and propose (pardon the pun) that as families grow more and more into relationships with such an ideal balance, we will see more contributions to sites like this one and fewer unhealthy acts of self-exploitation, not the other way around.

erdna · 2006-01-22 04:55:19

PC elmo, 100 MPH with you.

northdallas1968 · 2006-01-23 23:13:10

Garybob wrote:

Actually, a marriage proposal based solely upon one's ability to have earthshaking orgasm-after-orgasm is folly. Ruby is a temptress without question. However, you can't live your entire life in the bedroom, so-to-speak. Other facets of your/her life are also germain. As stated, Ruby is very sexy. But does she drink or use drugs, does she swear excessively? Would you want her to be the mother of your grandchildren's parents?
Personally, I see the women on this and any other porn site as very sexy, very alluring and very desirable. But that desire ends at the threshold of the bedroom door. I mean no disrespect to ANYONE, but I would not want to marry a woman who performed sexual acts, clothes or not, in ANY public arena. Say what you want about that but the years pass. Long after the woman finally matures and gets over the need to fulfill her yearning for the attention she gets from being and performing sexually in front of strangers, the record is made and the risk of her descendants learning of her life of debauchery remains. Not something I would want to saddle on my children!!!
I love you Ruby. You're sexy as hell and a real boost to my libido. But marriage? I thinketh not!

Ok, first I really don't see BA in the same class with "porn". I honestly have thought about this and I have even introduced friends to this site and basically we all believe that this is something we ALL do in the darkness of our own nests and as long as you are not showing T&A you aren't being offensive and instead you are sharing a part of yourself that others might never get to see. Would I want to flip through here and see my mum or sis. Well I wouldn't judge them for it, I just wouldnt watch theres. I have dropped plenty of hints to my mates about getting there wives on here but no luck so far.

Could you base a whole relationship on the bedroom - After 20 months of trying with my ex, I can honestly say "No" but at the same time, look at what Ruby has revealed to us.

Intelligence. - From her conversation she appears bright and intellegent. Surely something you look for in a potential mate.

Funny - I love a woman with a sense of humor. Someone who can have some fun with themselves and with others.

Conversationalist - The woman can obviously chat you up, fingers busy or otherwise. I for one am a chatter and surely love a woman who can keep up her end of the conversation because I can be a good listener.

Openness, Forthwith, Honesty - I think we are getting an honest assessment of her physical feelings as well as her emotional one. Honesty is a good thing. Expressiveness is something I surely look for in a woman.

Beauty - Face it boys, when it boils down to it, a woman can be smart and funny and great in the chat but if she is two bag ugly, your going to hide her away from the mates and that never helps a relationship. This woman is very attractive, well groomed, and would be someone you can take out on your arm to a soccer match, a movie, or wherever.

So no - the sex isn't everything but if you look deep, you can gleem plenty of things beyond the surface

ruby · 2006-01-26 02:36:10

ah northdallas- very flattering indeed!
Although being abit of a free spirit the idea of being married to anyone at all seems slightly absurd

Interestingly in regards to Garybobs comments about women who take their clothes off getting old and feeling regret or embarrassment and their families/ children finding out I must say from personal experience I have found this to be the opposite. My mother has modeled for many artists/ photographers and from a very young age our house was full of nude images of her. I did and have always seen this as a beautiful way of freezing the aging process in time and capturing a woman at her most supple. I my opinion she has grown more beautiful as she has aged. I was brought up in a very open house- nudity was never something to be shunned and embarrassed about.

I know that I will also age- and will look back at all the modeling/ work I have done for ba, ism and aw and be proud and happy that I have those memories. Certainly when I am 40,50,60 I will still be expressing my sexuality in whichever way I see fit. Maybe that will involve taking my clothes off, maybe it wont. Who knows, but it will be an empowering and important experience done for myself and on my terms.

It is fascinating that some members wouldnt want to be in a relationship with a girl who is a model for these sites- call them porn, erotica, art projects whatever. Its all ok, unless its my girlfriend/ sister/ mother still rings true. Although I have always found that to be a gross contradiction and in some ways indicative of a lack of respect for the female form and nature of expression. Some men still like to divide ladies along whore/ saint lines. One to be revered and respected, the other to be abuse and used for personal gratification. Anyway, this began with a married proposal. I am sorry northdallas- I am happy with a certain very special man. Who is very happy for me to orgasm as many times as I want, in as many different ways as I can. Ive found someone who can keep up with me! Yay.

Ceredwyn who is Lily St Cyr? What family is happy?

BTW if I see anyone walking around in a Ruby tshirt and not some agony merch there will be big trouble, ya hear

Garybob · 2006-01-26 04:48:18

Well Ruby, I am sorry if you took my statements as a judgment. I was not judging you. Only saying that I, personally, do not think of a woman who feels so free to masturbate for the world as marriage material. That's just the way I run my program.

And lest you be mistaken, I do NOT think of ANY woman, regardless of what she does a someone to be abused or taken for granted. The very thought is sickening to me.

Women who "do what you do/are doing" certainly have their place. People need a reference point from which to fantasize. For that, you are certainly worthy of some praise.

In my book, a "spouse" is someone with whom intimacy, particularly sexual intimacy, is shared privately and exclusively. It is an avenue by which each party retains something very special and only shares that part of themselves with each other. If sexual intimacy is shared with others, then where is the "special-ness" in the relationship? You are merely giving over something to your partner that you give to everyone else on some level.

That said, I happen to be one of those who believes very much in the "Madonna/Whore" syndrome that you elluded to. I prefer a woman who can be totally "appropriate" and saintly in public but can also be a whore in the bedroom. I think most men, perhaps those members of this site excluded, feel the same. Men, like women, enjoy the feeling that they are special in the eyes of their partner(s). That feeling is lost when a woman, or a man, spend time gyrating and masturbating and engaging in other sexual acts in a public forum.

While I can see how you would consider it contradictory that some would readily view this site and others while hating the idea of having a spouse or significant other act as a "model/artist". Right-wrong-good-bad-fair-unfair, it is what it is! If you find the seeming "contradiction" distasteful, then may I ask, would you be willing to have sex with a loyal fan from this site even though you are quite happy with your boyfriend? If not, why not? Are you not a free-spirit? Or does your relationship with your partner mean something to you? Would you be adverse to him having sex with another woman/women?

Personally, I find your position to be VERY contradictory! On the one hand, you are "happy" with your guy. One the other hand, you want things on "your terms".

I will end here by repeating that I while I think you are lovely to look at, indeed a "pretty package", I do think as well that the package is lacking in significant substance where marriage is concerned. As insulting as that may sound, I honestly do not mean it that way.

Having said that, I will now wait to see how many "white knights" will come to attack me for having spoken so directly.

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Ceredwyn · 2006-01-26 07:22:04

ruby wrote:

Ceredwyn who is Lily St Cyr? What family is happy?

God bless wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_St._Cyr

And they're several generations on by this point, so there's quite a lot of them under various names. I'm thinking I may have been mistaken and Lily was the Great Aunt, but I can't track down the info. There is however a direct relationship.

erdna · 2006-01-26 17:50:31

Ruby, first congratulations for your #5 and # 6 Overkill. Quite stunning, superb and great. You are the only one who provides us with such a gift. Then I am glad you are matching my thoughts (see my precedent posts) about being respectable even when being a nude or erotic artist. Your man is lucky but beside of not willing to get married, are you liberal to the point of considering having some affairs on the side or are you a one man woman? :):) Just curious.

PC elmo · 2006-01-26 22:37:47

I don't mind contradicting myself, so long as I can be consistent.

Garybob wrote:

Having said that, I will now wait to see how many "white knights" will come to attack me for having spoken so directly.

Well, count me out. Sorry, ladies, but I don't really buy into stereotypes like that -- when I stand up for something, it's because I feel like it, not for some misguided, Madonna's-a-whore-dressed-like-a-white-knight syndrome.

I find it interesting that, on the one hand, Garybob does not think the wonderful women who appear here are marriage material, and then, on the other hand, Ruby does not think marriage is for her. Not really important, just interesting.

I do think this is pretty important, though:

And lest you be mistaken, I do NOT think of ANY woman, regardless of what she does a someone to be abused or taken for granted. The very thought is sickening to me.

Definitely with you on that one.

I'd like to offer that I sincerely believe the values of "specialness" in marriage and free-spiritedness in expression must have a way to coexist. That may seem contradictory, but I'm not so sure. What's so disrespectful about hoping both:
that some women choose to keep their intimacy private (so we can marry one of them), and
that some women choose to share their intimacy (so we -- and our wives -- can appreciate them on our favorite websites)? I don't really have a problem with those two groups not being the same women.

Perhaps our "appreciation" of the women here does not seem to be reverence and respect?

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