#313....Zoiks! Bit scary!

glenswift · 2005-12-15 12:44:29

Blimey....just watched #313...! (Gulp!)
I am sure she is lovely, but too scary for me!

Bishop Of Bath & Wells · 2005-12-15 14:42:07

Why scary? Passionate, yes, but scary...........?

Bish

tonyd75 · 2005-12-16 02:50:30

I think it must be the growling as she climaxes. It's different - kinda wild

erdna · 2005-12-16 04:19:16

Different women different way to behave to reach a climax. Different viewers different way to react. But one thing for sure, BA and agonees offer us a unique and interesting way to better understand the diversity and complexity of female (and male too) sexuality. We all should be amazed, surprised, understanding and be filled with wonder to be witnesses of something which has been hidden in the past or faked now by most of the porn sites or videos. While some agonies are more erotic than others, we can appreciate that looking at the agonees will always have something in store for us.

Garybob · 2005-12-18 07:55:53

Do tell, is this a "negative" comment I see at the top of this thread??? A negative about something so personal that these women share with all of us good folks????

Well it will certainly be interesting to see how this will play out with the neighborhood!

PC elmo · 2005-12-18 22:32:57

Geez, wits abound this week!

Methinks the "neighborhood" is keen on any description or insight that shifts the focus away from negativity; that's what I'd do.

I'm not entirely convinced, however, the original comment is as negative as it may at first appear. It could even be a compliment! Different, wild, Ms 313 definitely knows what she wants.

Hatricks1 · 2005-12-22 17:05:58

Looks goog to me. A very sexually exciting performance. Very natural, very raunchy. Loved it.

Thanks

Garybob · 2005-12-22 20:08:18

PC elmo
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Geez, wits abound this week!

Methinks the "neighborhood" is keen on any description or insight that shifts the focus away from negativity; that's what I'd do.

I'm not entirely convinced, however, the original comment is as negative as it may at first appear. It could even be a compliment! Different, wild, Ms 313 definitely knows what she wants.

Garybob - Well, the one time I made a comment, that was mistaken for being negative, I got slammed by Richard, Tellin and a few others.

Perhaps if I donate more money I can somehow "buy" the freedom to be disagreeable.

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erdna · 2005-12-23 05:51:34

The only thing we cannot tolerate is intolerance. Remember, criticism can be honest and therefore positive. But when we don't like a comment, we can ask for more explanations. We are not going to make pressure on people not always giving kudos on this forum. On the other hand, if we criticize, people selecting the agonies shouldn't feel offended since we are just reacting to what we see which is positive. I believe this is what glenswift did. One can find something scary which looks sexy to somebody else. There is all kind of agonees, some with piercing, some are silent, some are noisy, some are overacting, other are provocating, some are smoking, speaking at the phone with mother... everything exists but we should be able to choose the one we like or don't like and mention it provided it's said with respect.

Jakeview · 2005-12-23 09:30:20

There's a difference between someone creating something--artwork, writing an article, etc.--and someone giving as a gift something that is personal. If I was an artist and hung my work in public and you hated it, I'd have to accept that you might give me negative feedback. But if I gave you something very personal, as a gift from me to you, would you still tell me that gift was a piece of crap? Unless you have absolutely no tact, I doubt it.

When an Agonee let's us view their moment of intimacy, I see it as a gift. They are not performance artists awaiting our judgement. They are giving us a part of themselves. I would never think to criticize that gift if I didn't enjoy it. It's simply a way to show some class and avoid being rude and obnoxious.

kirkpa · 2005-12-23 12:19:36

Bravo!

Bishop Of Bath & Wells · 2005-12-23 15:32:56

Jakeview wrote:

There's a difference between someone creating something--artwork, writing an article, etc.--and someone giving as a gift something that is personal. If I was an artist and hung my work in public and you hated it, I'd have to accept that you might give me negative feedback. But if I gave you something very personal, as a gift from me to you, would you still tell me that gift was a piece of crap? Unless you have absolutely no tact, I doubt it.
When an Agonee let's us view their moment of intimacy, I see it as a gift. They are not performance artists awaiting our judgement. They are giving us a part of themselves. I would never think to criticize that gift if I didn't enjoy it. It's simply a way to show some class and avoid being rude and obnoxious.

I think you've just hit the nail on the head, Jakeview.

Bish

PC elmo · 2005-12-23 18:09:57

I'm so glad I waited to comment on this so others could chime in first!

I think Garybob has a good question (in principle, that is -- money is obviously not the answer!), and I would not have thought of the gift approach. My analogy would've been about dealing with aggressive drivers, which only covers half the point -- the tact part. Discussing how we respond when we are affronted by rudeness, while probably useful, skips over entirely the reason some things are offensive in the first place. Here, at Beautiful Agony, it's not about the forum. It's all about the generous women and men who send in their private moments for all of us to see. They and their gifts are why the site exists.

We can see performances anywhere. Thanks, Jakeview, for reminding us how much more personal is what we have here.

erdna · 2005-12-23 19:33:55

Well I think it's nice to have a romanic view about BA agonees making us a gift. "Those good girls are giving us the almighty males a gift"? Come on, the situation is better balanced than that. On a more realistic tone, and if you listen to their confessions (which most of the time correspond to what I thought about their "deep motivation" I still believe BA agonees are in a win/win interaction. They give as much as they recieve. BA agonees derive a lot of pleasure and satisfaction from their agony, just listen again to their confession. They say:"it's cool, I feel sexy, I feel more free with my body, that makes me accept my body better, that opens new horizons to my sexuality... etc. And they even get royalties from that. That kind of interaction (win/win) is actually the best one ever since everybody is happy (agonees, Richard, Shannon and Lauren, and we the members). I said also that criticism has to be honest and made in a civilized way. Moreover, I think the worst criticism is to ignore a performance or an individual and that way make her/him feel useless. Agonees are all good but some are exceptional. Girls help me, do you think I am right or an ungrateful guy?

Jakeview · 2005-12-23 20:02:34

I don't think you're ungrateful, erdna, but you completely missed my point.

I'd NEVER take the sexist tone of "girls are giving us the almighty males a gift." Nor am I being a romantic. I'm saying that BA is not performance art. It is not a spectator sport. We are privy to a very intimate, very personal part of these people's lives. There is no room for judgement or criticism, especially when we all agree that methods for masturbation and orgasms are as unique as fingerprints. Who are we to say whether it's bad or unenjoyable?

If you allowed people to watch you masturbate and, afterwards, they criticized you--you're not very sexy, you have too many tattoos, you have hair in weird places, you sweat too much, you didn't make any sounds--how would you feel? Would you feel horrible about yourself and resent ever sharing your secrets?

I think so.

erdna · 2005-12-24 00:06:25

My point of view is when you decide to go public, your image is not anymore your proprety and you expose yourself to comments, remarks or criticism of all kind just like politicians, artists, athletes... Girls appearing on BA are less innocent than some males would think they are and they are in a win/win interaction as I said. I understand that the agonees on BA have a special status since that site is unique and we want to encourage them to submit other agony. I am particularly concerned about Ms#422 who had joined us on this forum when somebody said she was faking it while being too vocal. She kindly answered she will take that in account but I am afraid she maybe felt turned down. I tried to tell her not to change anything, her agony was perfect. She had received anyway a lot of congratulations from us. I hope she will be back with us soon. Jackview, I know it's a touchy issue and that women fell easily threatened in their feminity if we have one bad comment. But also for the sake of the principle, we should leave some room for some comments which are not always kudos. I wouldn't like to see all of us becoming sucker or automatically complaisant. I am happy we can discuss that important aspect on this forum.

Jakeview · 2005-12-24 10:08:43

I see your point. I just don't quite agree that posting an orgasm on this particular site equates you with any other public person. We, as the subscribers, have a choice whether to be gentlemen(and gentlewomen) or act like drunken frat boys at a wet t-shirt contest. I simply feel those who post deserve more respect than that.

The old saying is, if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.

Garybob · 2005-12-25 05:15:38

Jakeview wrote:

There's a difference between someone creating something--artwork, writing an article, etc.--and someone giving as a gift something that is personal. If I was an artist and hung my work in public and you hated it, I'd have to accept that you might give me negative feedback. But if I gave you something very personal, as a gift from me to you, would you still tell me that gift was a piece of crap? Unless you have absolutely no tact, I doubt it.
When an Agonee let's us view their moment of intimacy, I see it as a gift. They are not performance artists awaiting our judgement. They are giving us a part of themselves. I would never think to criticize that gift if I didn't enjoy it. It's simply a way to show some class and avoid being rude and obnoxious.

Jakie:

Listen, I hope you won't take offense here but I totally disagree with this argument!

First, these girls [and guys] ARE hanging their "artwork" in a public place. You are not receiving these clips alone....are you? Everyone and anyone who purchases membership to this site can view them and thus, this arena is very public!!! Moreover, there is no way to discern if any particular agonee will be pleasing until it is downloaded and viewed.

As to the "moments of intimacy" arguement, ask any artist and they will likely tell you that there is a great deal of personal intimacy involved in the creation of their artwork. An artist in fact, gives over a part of himself and hopes that it will be appreciated and enjoyed by those who view the finished product, hey? If the artist is mature and rational, he will understand, as you've intimated, that some will not not appreciate the art and some will be outright disgusted!

If you, indeed, view the "agonees" here as art, then how are they any different really? One would think that as "artists", each person posting an agonee would make the calculation that some will not find favor with their particular expression. It would be the height of arrogance on the part of those who submit and the site administrators to assume otherwise!!!

I think that many of the agonees here are wonderful. Some are just outstanding and really stand above the rest. On the other hand, I personally have found many to be just awful and I don't think I or anyone else should be castigated for saying so! To revert to your analogy, this is a public forum and thus as paying members of the "public" who view the "art" displayed on this very public site, I and anyone else should have the freedom to express dissent.

Finally, as to the "be respectful" position, while I would agree that it is nice to be NICE, your arguement here I find faulty as well. It's like going into a strip bar and listening to the girls complain that they are not being treated with respect. What the hell do you expect if you're taking off your clothes, gyrating and sliding down a pole in front of a bunch of horny and lonely men, hey???? Why should masturbating in a public forum be different???

It seems that you are making the "emperor always has clothes" argument. While I mean you no disrespect, I say hell no! Sometimes the emperor is naked and I will say so!!!

My position is that it is always best to be free to dissent and say what is on your mind. Following the crowd, as it were, in order to find favor therewith is a sure way to lose your own personal identity and I for one have NEVER been a crowd follower!!!

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PC elmo · 2005-12-25 20:35:45

Now we're getting somewhere....

Garybob wrote:

If you, indeed, view the "agonees" here as art, then how are they any different really? One would think that as "artists", each person posting an agonee would make the calculation that some will not find favor with their particular expression. It would be the height of arrogance on the part of those who submit and the site administrators to assume otherwise!!!

Even the most highly praised agonies are sure to miss the mark for someone, and I think everyone here knows that. It's not about whether the videos are art (clearly they are). It's about whether they're more than that as well as, rather than instead of, art. "Gifts" or whatever, they are special to many of us.

Garybob wrote:

My position is that it is always best to be free to dissent and say what is on your mind. Following the crowd, as it were, in order to find favor therewith is a sure way to lose your own personal identity and I for one have NEVER been a crowd follower!!!

With respect, Garybob, I don't think any of us would accuse you of currying favor with the crowd. The key distinction here is between (1) standing apart from the crowd sometimes and (2) yelling, screaming, tripping, giving the crowd the finger, etc. It's a pretty recognizable line between being yourself and just plain bad attitude -- usually. This particular medium lends itself to some ambiguity, but we also have plenty of opportunities to step back, acknowledge, and clarify -- vs. step in and take another few swings. Just imagine the conversation occurring in person, and it should be easy to recognize times when we others present -- and generally we are hardly an uppity lot, I think -- would simply cringe at what someone says. The content is all but irrelevant if it's an attack or childish bickering. And, just like in live conversations, some of us do have an odd sense of humor, difficult to read from one zinger alone.

I assure you, that cringe is worse in a forum like this. Here, there is no spur of the moment. Here, ADHD/Turret's-style outbursts do not apply. We can choose whether to hit "submit" for each message. When we degenerate into the flaming and counter-flaming that has made many a forum elsewhere on the net not a fun place to visit, there is no excuse. If we care, we'll try again, or even jump in to try to redirect things when we see it coming. That's the difference I see here, and I don't think I'm alone. We actually care that this is a forum which others besides ourselves might want to read someday. We want new members, and especially the contributors, to feel welcome and to participate.

Finally, if you can believe that this forum is something special, it should not be too much of a stretch to see how many of us find the agonies here special as well. So, yes, say what you want, but it's the being respectful part -- of each other and especially of the contributors -- that's more important.

Garybob · 2005-12-26 06:47:24

Elmo:

Now your argument is much a more palpable one and one that seems much better thought out.

However, to piggy-back on my previous point(s), whether or not this particular site is "something special", it would seem, is a relative question. To some, perhaps like yourself and Jakie, it is special. To others it may be just one more masturbation site in a sea of many. Personally, I would use the adjective "different". Special is a word I prefer not to use just yet. Now the upcoming site which Richard and the gang are planning to have up in Feb sounds to me like it will be something "special" and one that I am looking forward to joining.

I think we are all on the same page when we speak of being respectful. Moreover, I am sure that we all want this site to stay afloat and for more people to post agonies. I ASSUME that we all should feel comfortable saying out right that something we see here is pure drek if we feel that way, even those of us who are not "currying favor with the crowd".

Ya know, the site of a naked woman is a turn on, yes! But it doesn't make me want to trip all over myself and want to bully someone else who finds such a site abhorrent. I do not feel the need to rescue every damsel in distress or come to the aid of woman or [women] who are performing sexual art. While I understand the instictive psychology that pushes some people to take this position, I also know futility of such a position.

No one, as far as I can tell, is being disrespectful to other members here. However, I do believe that certain members chose to feel disrespected when their sentiments are not echoed and indeed challenged by dissenting views. But hey, what'cha gonna do?

Jakeview · 2005-12-27 09:44:47

Garybob...I'm all for open expression in this forum and elsewhere but my argument, as badly defined as it may have been, is not about banning certain freedoms or castigating those who disagree with FORUM POSTS. It's strictly about the respect shown to the people who put their faces on this site.

I'm not trying to rescue damsels or force people to "get in line." You all will do what you do. I wouldn't even put myself in the category of members who think this site is "special." I'm just saying we should all think about what we write--as it relates to specific Agonees--before we make it public. As Elmo said, folks here have a clear choice of clicking the submit button or clicking cancel. Why exercise your freedom to express yourself only to hurt someone?

What good does it do ANYONE to denigrate someone who posts an agony? How does it help? How does it improve this site? How does it make the world a better place? Telling someone that they're ugly, that they're not sexy, that your arousal diminished when you watched them--what purpose does this serve?

If you can give me a good answer, I'll happily join your ranks and goosestep right alongside you.

Garybob · 2005-12-27 23:00:09

Jakeview wrote:

Garybob...I'm all for open expression in this forum and elsewhere but my argument, as badly defined as it may have been, is not about banning certain freedoms or castigating those who disagree with FORUM POSTS. It's strictly about the respect shown to the people who put their faces on this site.
I'm not trying to rescue damsels or force people to "get in line." You all will do what you do. I wouldn't even put myself in the category of members who think this site is "special." I'm just saying we should all think about what we write--as it relates to specific Agonees--before we make it public. As Elmo said, folks here have a clear choice of clicking the submit button or clicking cancel. Why exercise your freedom to express yourself only to hurt someone?
What good does it do ANYONE to denigrate someone who posts an agony? How does it help? How does it improve this site? How does it make the world a better place? Telling someone that they're ugly, that they're not sexy, that your arousal diminished when you watched them--what purpose does this serve?
If you can give me a good answer, I'll happily join your ranks and goosestep right alongside you.

Goosestep??? Interesting visual!

Whether or not my answer can be considered "good" is yet another thing that is relative. I will try here to render a "good" answer for you, however, and it will be what it will be.

I would agree with you fully that no constructive purpose is served by exercising freedoms merely to hurt someone else. Such behavior is only [arguably] excusable/understandable when some one has been hurt by another. That is not what I nor anyone else here was referring to anywhere in this thread.

If someone makes it clear that they find a particular agony distasteful or even vile, the listener [reader] can then decide how to posit the sentiment. Is it a PERSONAL attack, or is it merely a statement about the performance {for lack of a better word}. People chose to be insulted. People chose to give away power over their emotions to another. And in this forum, it is really rediculous since no one here really knows anyone else.

How does it help the site? That is really up to the administrators, isn't it? When a subscriber states dissatisfaction with certain content, the site admin. staff can opt to make modifications and improve their product or, simply ignore it [which is a position held by the staff at onionbooty.com]. Ofcourse, one dissenting viewpoint in a sea of positives is nothing to take into account. But a slew of them is not something to scoff at. Case in point is the FBA post. Because of the landslide of positive comments and the demand created by that one post, Richard and the gang are launching another site in Feb. 06.

More on point with your list of Q's, I have never known nor read any posts in the forum whereby an individual hurled invectives at those who submit agonies. I certainly have not done this and, again, I have not known anyone else to do this either. Therefore, this statement/question about calling people ugly and the like is perplexing. Are you reading that into some comments somewhere??

Now, you are right about clicking the submit button. The fact that people do, I would assume means they do think about what they are writing. Some perhaps more than others. Yet again, the reader has the choice of how he/she will be affected by the post if at all. Thin shoulders......or......thick shoulders? That is indeed the question.

Finally, I would ask that you not get in line with me. Wouldn't want to mar your stellar reputation and have you pegged like me as one who is not "currying favor with the crowd".

I find that I lead best when I lead myself. My entire position throughout this thread has been that you, me and everyone else be their own person. If we are all going to continue to interact with each other here, then we will continue to forge relationships, albeit on a small scale. That said, just as in any relationship, it can't be good in the long run if no one can be comfortable being open and forthright about what they are thinking/feeling. See, I'm fighting for you as well. Let Jakeview be Jakeview. Let PCElmo be PCElmo and Bishop be Bishop, etc...

To answer Rodney King's question: Yes! We can all just get along.

One more thing. Can you explain to me how how does one do this, er uhhh, "goosestep" thing?

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PC elmo · 2005-12-28 06:01:36

Garybob wrote:

One more thing. Can you explain to me how how does one do this, er uhhh, "goosestep" thing?

That's gotta be "scarier" than #313 was for glenswift! (though I suppose it could be done with just the fingers...)

Garybob · 2005-12-28 06:26:49

Zoiks!!!

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