In praise of Australian forerunners

Faeton · 2005-11-17 19:54:55

We're just an ordinary Dutch couple, living in a country where people think anyone is openminded and ready to embrace sexual freedom. It is not so. It must be Australia. The first site we have ever encountered that truly celebrates the sexual experience must be Beautiful Agony. This really is sexual intensity at is best. We enjoy every clip - both male and female - and yes, we get excited. Is it art? Is it porn? Well, we don't actually bother.

We'd like to pay our respect to the beautiful people who make this happen; both the participants and the initiators. It is a wonderful experiment in intimacy, voyeurism, erotica and... well yes, art. Beautiful agony opens our eyes to the bliss that orgasm can be.

Please try to keep this excellent site pure and respectful to its roots. Keep the fakers out, if there are any who would dare to try it in a place like this. This is the place of people who like to enjoy their life!

We're trying to obtain a camera to record our owm experience and share it with you.

Thanks from Frank and Marian, The Netherlands

lauren · 2005-11-17 23:30:24

Look forward to recieving your submissions. Lauren xo

Garybob · 2005-11-18 00:59:59

Lauren, why do I find myself curiously taken with you? You're a face I've never seen and a voice I've never heard. What is this mystery that surrounds you that has a vise-like grip on me? Can you please explain? Hmmmm?

erdna · 2005-11-18 05:53:52

Faeton , I disagree with you about what you say on your country. Holland is one of the most liberal country (including sexuality) on the planet. One of the 2 countries in the world making legal the sale of marijuana. One of the rare countries to legalize euthanasy assisted by a doctor. For centuries, people having trouble with religions have found a refuge in your country. Your country has published books forbiden elsewhere for the past 300 years...etc. In Amsterdam and other towns of your country prostitution is legal.
If USA had taken example of your country for the Mexico gulf dikes, there wouldn't have been the Louisiana, Alabama and Mississipi hurricane disaster.
On the other hand, until recently, Australia was a very conservative country. BA girls with the help of INTERNET show us they are getting rid of the sexual repression. BA is very inovative in the presentation of its site, a unique one so far. But Holland could do the same years ago and now. Maybe the commercial aspect makes it impossible. I think Australians discovered there was people interested by a product like BA and good for them but Dutch people can do the same. It's a question of quality quest versus a commercial one.

Garybob, for Lauren, you lose your time, she is a mystery and wants to remain a mystery. We tried hard to know more about her but just like the Holy Spirit we have to believe without seeing. Lauren, are you still mad after me?

Garybob · 2005-11-18 08:18:37

Erdna:

Thanks for the tip on Lauren. I guess I'll take that to heart. Must say that it is a bummer tho.

I am curious however about your connection of Amsterdam and the hurricanes here in the U.S. What lesson should the USA have taken? OH, and by the way, prostitution is legal in Nevada. I think the rest of the country should follow suit. Nevada is profiting big time from brothels since they must pay taxes to the State. It's a smart move. Wives will dis-satisfy their husbands; Girlfriends will refuse to do certain things for their boyfriends and some men will just be pigs and cheat! Right or wrong, good or bad, moral or immoral, many men will seek a few moments of excitement they can't otherwise get and a hooker will give what the wife will not.

erdna · 2005-11-20 06:18:13

Garybob, Holland is one of the greatest country in the world about of liberalism and this is true for centuries. Two third of Holland is below sea level and they learned how to built efficient dikes. 2/3 of Holland depends on that. Do you see now the connection with what happened in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississipi? USA had the money and expertise to build efficient dikes and prevent that way the flooding of New Orleans but they didn't. But don't take me wrong, USA is from my point of view the most liberal country of the world. I was just defending Holland against its own inhabitants.

Garybob · 2005-11-22 23:28:57

Erdna:

Thanks for that info on Holland. Was unaware that so much of the country is below sea level. And yes, I do see the connection and you are right that the USA should take a lesson from them.

As for having the money and expertise, the problem with the people in power in the US is that they really don't give a damn about anyone elses misfortune, or pending misfortune. The only way to get a politician to give a rat's tooshy about someone else's problem is to somehow make him/her experience the same problem. Or, threaten to vote his/her butt out of office where that applies.

Bishop Of Bath & Wells · 2005-11-22 23:59:55

erdna wrote:

Holland is one of the greatest country in the world about of liberalism and this is true for centuries.

But am I right in saying that Holland currently has a right wing government? Or has that changed again recently?

Bish

erdna · 2005-11-23 05:50:59

Bish, Holland is a monarchy just like England and Belgium and those three countries have a parliament democratically elected. I don't know if Holland has now a right wing government, but maybe Faeton can tell us that. But again, Holland is the land of liberalism for centuries including sexuality.

Faeton · 2005-11-26 13:28:32

Erdna, many thanks for your elaborate defence of our small patch of land at the Noordzee. Yes, it's true that most of The Netherlands - especially North- and South-Holland and Zeeland - is below sea level. We're living on the reclaimed land of the former Zuiderzee, some five metres below the sea. And I completely agree with you that the know-how in building solid watersheds should have been implemented in Alabama, which to my surprise is well below sea level, too.

Although The Netherlands is technically a monarchy since 1815, the Queen has no real power. We are currently gouverned by a Harry Potter lookalike (prime minister Balkenende) with a Bible Belt background. Yet, since democratic principles are still high over here, liberality mostly wins. I can imagine that from an American point of view, The Netherlands have a climate of sexual liberty and general freedom. And indeed, laws on abortion and euthanasia do respect the individual freedom of choice - luckily so, in my view. But drugs are not completely legal, and prostitution has only been made striclty legal since a few years. it is allowed to carry a few grams of soft drugs (marihuana or so), and you're allowed to sell it in 'coffee shops'. On the other hand, it's illegal to manufacture it on a wide scale and to buy large quantities.

Living in this country, I find that people's view on sexuality is still rather narrow minded. Better than in the USA, but still. Thanks anyway for your educated view on The Netherlands!

erdna · 2005-11-27 17:01:00

Thanks Faeton, I made sure people reading your post will not have a bad opinion about Holland (Netherlands). Sexual permissiveness is relative but Holland is not bad at all. For the marijuana issue, Holland and Belgium are the only 2 countries in the world to make it legal provided, as you said, that certain regulations apply. Same for prostitution. But at least, the 2 countries laws recognize the principle and this is important. In the USA, well there is big difference betwen the states like California and New Hampshire for instance. Same for Canada where one can see the difference between Quebec, British Columbia and Saskatchewan. Faeton, there is conservative people everywhere but a country should allow more adventurous people to sexually or else express themselves. Tolerance is one of the best sign of maturity.

PC elmo · 2005-11-29 06:58:03

erdna wrote:

Tolerance is one of the best sign of maturity.

Hmm, maybe. Probably.

I prefer to think of tolerance as a by-product of maturity. Tolerance by itself merely leads to permissiveness, and true maturity is much more than that.

I think maturity is a quest for self-identity. There comes a time, when deciding which paths to follow, that just because our family or anyone else told us so isn't good enough. Mature adults find their own methods for deciding (along with everything else) how to express themselves sexually. Ideally, those who chose to be less restrictive -- or more self-destructive -- will be tolerant of those who choose otherwise, and vice versa. This could go a lot of directions, but all I mean to add is that it's a stretch at best to equate a particular legal preference with "maturity." Other mature adults can always disagree (and hopefully toleration will be mutual).

Those who are less adventurous sexually are by no means less mature. I'm not even sure those who are less experienced sexually are less mature. Well, whatever the best answers to such musings are, maturity is certainly more an appreciation of the journey than a fixation on the destination.

erdna · 2005-12-06 05:42:53

By tolerance, I don't mean a ..free for all. I mean that maybe you disagree but you respect the other's point of view or at least you understand and accept the difference. Semantics!!!

PC elmo · 2005-12-07 07:43:13

erdna wrote:

Semantics!!!

And not just semantics, my friend -- semantics combined with translation!

I understand your frustration, but as it turns out, this actually has nothing at all to do with semantics. I am not nitpicking your use of the word tolerance. In fact, it's your use of the idea of maturity that stirred me just enough to write something.

I disagree that the desire to legalize prostitution or various substances is in itself mature. I don't think it's necessarily intolerant to disallow much of what's disallowed in lots of places, let alone immature. Mature people can, after earnestly engaging in debate or self-examination or some such journey, honestly decide for themselves that they don't believe XYZ should be legal. It is, of course, possible to arrive at those same conclusions in ways that really are intolerant, but this does not mean that anyone who arrives at those conclusions is similarly depraved.

I can elaborate further if needed, but for now I'm just going to go to bed. For what it's worth, I too hope to visit Australia someday. I'm looking forward to the different perspective.

erdna · 2005-12-09 06:23:08

Have you notice that the countries in the world which are the most intolerant toward women are among the worst and heavily retarded. A lot of them are actually still in the Middle age. Also a variety of ideas and opinions is the most healthy thing for a country and for a forum as well provided honesty counts.

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