Strongly protesting Overkill 0085

voyeur · 2005-10-04 07:03:19

I must vigorously protest the inclusion of this clip. As I watch my wife undergo chemotherapy for lung cancer (and she stopped smoking many years ago) I feel more and more strongly that any glorification of smoking is simply encouraging more young people to do something that many of them are going to bitterly regret in years to come. Believe me chemotherapy is no joke, and there is only a 15% chance that even with treatment my wife will live another two years. There is nothing glamorous or sexy about smoking. It is a disgusting and potentially deadly habit. This is not what I pay my subscription to support, and it has nothing whatever to do with eroticism. I respectfully request that this clip be removed from the site.

Voyeur

uri · 2005-10-04 07:59:59

Voyeur,
of course it's very painful for you and your wife. To see young girls and boys smoking makes you anxious. But i think, it's everybody's free choice to smoke or not to smoke. I personally decided NOT to smoke but also i am not the self appointed nanny of other peaple's life.

alaclark · 2005-10-04 08:24:55

Yes, seeing women smoking always puts me too into a complete conflict: the more attractive the woman (and 374 is that, bien sur) the greater the conflict. 'Do you know what you're DOING to the innards of that wonderful body, the fate you're storing up for yourself?', I want to yell.
But reluctantly have to agree with Uri on the free-expression point.

Smokers today must get pretty case-hardened against contrary views. Still, the best everyday incitement to stopping smoking I know -- in any sexual/BA context -- is the old "who wants to kiss an ashtray?" line. Unfortunately, it presumably doesn't work for fellow-smokers.

uri · 2005-10-04 08:49:40

Fortunately my screen don't smoke!

richard · 2005-10-04 11:27:01

I think anyone with the sensibilities to enjoy this site is mature enough to be making their own life decisions. My father died of lung cancer last year and now I collect cigarette ads from old magazines. I watched that overkill with a similar feeling of irony, i.e. la grande mort. I'm sorry you found it offensive.

asm2agny · 2005-10-04 14:33:52

Personally I found Overkill #85 so unappealing that I stopped watching it after barely a minute.

I think the young lady is an *IDIOT* for ever having started to smoke but I'm not going to tell her to stop; it's not my place to do so.

On the other hand, Richard and Lauren, I will ask you to consider not showing smoking in future agonies, and even to consider editing it out of existing agonies: Smoking is, by every reasonable measure, a dumb and dangerous thing to do and I ask you to not do anything to "glorify" or "promote" it.

As far as I'm concerned, Overkill #85 may as well be a commercial made by the tobacco companies! "The best thing about wanking is you can light up afterwards"? How wrong a message is that!

Please consider this.

Iso · 2005-10-04 15:22:16

I'll speak for the opposition.

I smoke. Pardon me, but it wasn't watching someone else smoke, or someone "glorifying" it that made me start. It certainly wasn't some chick on a website saying, "Smoking is so great after sex," that made me start, or makes me continue for that matter.

Here's a fact for everyone: People smoke. People who smoke also masturbate. Given that fact, editing out the smoking, or rejecting contributions that include it is like deciding you'll edit out any point where their heads tilt back so you can't see their face full on. It's part of what people do before, during, and after orgasm. And for some it's inextricably linked.

Smoking turns you off or even offends you? <shrug> Cope with it. Don't watch that.

In the particular case, I don't think what she said was worth an Overkill slot, but, hey, that's what she wanted to say. I would hardly call it an ad for smoking, especially to anyone who's had an orgasm. "The best thing about wanking is you can light up afterwards"... not in my book. ... But again: <shrug>.

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ptr45 · 2005-10-04 15:53:32

I agree with Iso here. I don't smoke and would quite possibly not want to get involved with a woman who did. However, many people do smoke. Many people also have tatoos, piercings, shaved heads, or are overweight. One those traits (being overweight) is also unhealthy. Yet I don't think a person with any of those characteristics should be barred from this site just because they engage in a common behavior that happens to be offensive to some.

My father, a smoker, also died of lung cancer so I can appreciate the complex feelings one can get surrounding this topic. Alas my daughter also smokes and although she knows I disapprove, there isn't much I can do about it (she lives on her own, etc). Believe me... I feel a lot more conflicted watching my daughter light up than I do seeing a stranger do it on a web site.

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afinecouple · 2005-10-04 17:49:50

Just an opinion,

This site's greatest strength is the seeming naturalness of the vids. I assume they are amateur submissions and the attraction is the complete package, meaning that you get a look at a particular person in all their glory. You get to see some very personal stuff with their agonee and all that goes with it. I like the various bits after the big O ... a LOT. In some ways more than the O. You must take it all as it is a purely personal submission... no politics, no plans. I personally think that she shouldn't smoke but she also obviously has made up her mind about it, maybe she only has a "ciggie" after sex and never otherwise. We don't know and it sure is not our business.

As well, I'm guessing, but I would bet that there are few young folks lurking around here.

afc

Jo · 2005-10-04 18:20:41

I also think that it's the own responsability of each to decide whether to smoke or not. And I may remember, that more than a year ago, we already had a contribution of a smoking lady (OV0002). Nobody intervented that time...

Anyway I can understand the sorrow of voyeur and his wish to not show any more vids in that manner. Worth a thought for richard and lauren anyway. And (hopefully) worth a thought for any potential future submissioners to handle the theme with more respect.

Jo · 2005-10-04 18:22:02

afinecouple wrote:

... I would bet that there are few young folks lurking around here.

What in your eyes is young?

Kdogg2 · 2005-10-05 06:12:36

Voyeur,

While I sympathize with your ongoing treatment with your wife, and I can only imagine what kind of toll that takes on you both, I have to disagree about the censure of smoking.

You can't really expect everyone to stop and see the world through your eyes, just because you've had a tramatic experience. I agree that smoking is a very destructive habit. It affects not only the smoker, but everyone around them (Second Hand Smoke.) That being said, its the smokers choice to indulge. I don't smoke and I don't drink. I chose not to go down those paths, but I don't expect anyone to not do it because I don't.

I don't agree with the censure for the simple reason of where does it end? I don't really care for women with multitudes of facial pierceings, but there are videos of them here. If it bothers me too much, I don't watch it. The subscribers to this site, have their own likes and dislikes of the videos, but it would be utter chaos for Lauren and Richard to try, and edit videos to suit everyones tastes.

The agonists are adults, and being such are liable to do things that you may or may not approve of. Since they are following the rules of the video submissions, you have to take the videos as a package deal (likes/disklikes.)

If something in a video bothers you so much, just turn it off and wait for the next submission.

I do not mean for this post to be an attack. Just a strong opinion to your own.

#0249 · 2005-10-05 07:02:19

Beautiful Agony is a unique and wonderful site because it shows real people as they are through a non judgemental eye. Sometimes thats hard to watch but subscribers always have the choice to not watch particular clips. I'm a non smoker and am usually very against smoking being portrayed positivly anywhere in the public eye. However in this instance the removal or not inclusion of clips with agonees smoking would go against the things which make this site so great.

chai · 2005-10-05 15:38:59

Yeah I agree that the smoking probably should not be censured. However, as a non-smoker, and one whose father passed away from years of struggles with emphysema, and as an asthmatic myself, I certainly find nothing erotic about smoking, before during or after any kind of sex. I could never be with a smoker. Period. And viewing it here would be so much of a turn off that if there were more like her, I would have to cancel my subscription. I just would not use this site.

chai

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