alternatives?

richard · 2005-01-15 13:35:20

CCbill is quite a large company, a few hundred employees apparently. Their database would contain literally millions of addresses which are not only confirmed, but confirmed porn buyers, making them the spammer's holy grail. Looking at it that way I think the chances that a former (or present) employee ~hasn't~ sold the list out the back door is pretty much zilch.

We know the operators of GM Bill personally, and you can take our word for it that it doesn't happen there.

Thing · 2005-01-15 22:43:05

For a while, for CCBill, I used addresses that always started with "cc-" and then some abbreviation of the sitename. I think about ten in total over the years. As soon as I cancelled one of them, that particular cc- address got spammed.

Of course, if you're only using one address, and always have at least one membership open, this may not happen to that address. Like I said, I haven't seen spam to those addresses in a while, but it used to be regular like clockwork: cancel from cc- address -> spam to cc- address. So this is obviously not a one-time hit & run on the email database, there is a very distinct mechanism linked to cancellation -> spamming over the years. At least, there used to be. Haven't used CCBill in a while, and the last spam to a cc- address arrived at least some months ago.

I trust GMBill. I used them for AW and ISM (maybe GOW too?), cancelled ISM/GOW, and did not get spammed.

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msnevil · 2005-01-18 10:05:06

If you go to gmbill website you will see in thier private policy agreement.,

http://www.gmbill.com/site/privacy_policy.html

" * From time to time, G Media requests and receives information from third parties and compares it to the information that you have provided. The main purpose for this is loss prevention.
"

Meaning they request and give out your personal information. Either to law enforcement or to protect thier "goods and services".

ex. Somebody stealing videos and then reselling them on another website.

So while GmBill might not sell information for "intentional" purposes. They will still trade information for thier own Economic interest.

Also Gmbill has tracking cookies that records the sites you visited, the meterial you download from Gmbill sites, and how much you download of Gmbill meterial. There is a 50% profit margin for them and any respective website they represent. (I think.) So they can and will protect thier investment.,

PS-the main website as well has a tracker that tracks IP, referals, location, your harddrive referal file name, etc.

http://extremetracking.com

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msnevil · 2005-01-18 10:19:20

Need to add:

Any website trades information. So please be aware. (And my intentions is only to make people aware. Not to scare everybody off this website or the net.)

Thing · 2005-01-18 19:19:34

Yes, I don't like the tracking cookies. Fortunately, I run my own nameserver, and I've made about 50 domains unresolvable from the get-go. Some of them are:

zone "extremetracking.com" {type master;file "db.kill";};
zone "extreme-dm.com" {type master;file "db.kill";};
zone "realtracker.com" {type master;file "db.kill";};
zone "sextracker.com" {type master;file "db.kill";};
zone "porntrack.com" {type master;file "db.kill";};
zone "clicktracks.com" {type master;file "db.kill";};

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Thing · 2005-01-18 19:25:17

msnevil wrote:

If you go to gmbill website you will see in thier private policy agreement.,
http://www.gmbill.com/site/privacy_policy.html
" * From time to time, G Media requests and receives information from third parties and compares it to the information that you have provided. The main purpose for this is loss prevention.
"
Meaning they request and give out your personal information. Either to law enforcement or to protect thier "goods and services".

Well, "requests and receives" does not necessarily mean 'hand out' or 'trade'. I can understand that any biller will be interested in maintaining blacklists to ward off CC fraud, and that CC firms have a way of interchanging information like that.

As to the tracking cookies: only BA appears to be using that. Haven't seen it on other GMbill-related sites.

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msnevil · 2005-01-19 02:08:28

Gmbill has been known to enforce its "property" ownership. Through trackers for exp in its affiliated "video", information trade with other webmasters for enforcement purposes, Ip tracking of websites visited after logging off one of thier sites. etc.

Do search's on open "webmaster" sites to see exp's.

I really have no problem with them pursuing piracy issues. As long as innocent web surfer's are not effected with the guilty. Nor harassed with "search and seizure" type of scenerio's.

(Note: Do the webmaster's of this site want the personal information of this site on the open web? Thing you might want to "delete" your link in your post.)

I would suggest the firefox web browser as a good canidate to "block" cookies while enabling some like Abby's site. (Otherwise, the website won't load.)

Thing · 2005-01-19 03:09:44

Fine. The tracker is in the source code, so it's not a big secret I guess.

I'm very happy with Outpost Firewall allowing every 'active' element (cookies, referrers, activex, JS, VB, Applets, Flash etc.) of any site to be blocked/permitted/prompted (per element, per site).

richard · 2005-01-19 14:02:47

As far as I know we only use cookies to remember your password, to pay a a commission to referring sites, and for stats purposes. The stats is why we track the site you came from and went to - for obvious reasons we like to know how people find their way here.

Thing · 2005-01-19 20:10:59

'Came from' .. ok, that's what referrers are for (in your own Apache logs), but 'Went to' ... that's nobody's business, as far as I'm concerned. Which is why I don't allow traffic to or cookies from tracking sites locally I don't want to be 'profiled' by anyone, really. Not without warning, at least.

richard · 2005-01-19 23:51:57

Well it's the stats program which does it, we didn't write the prog and it collects way too much useless data to be honest. I got that wrong though, it tracks exit pages, which is the page on Agony you left from, not went to. In any case the data is comnsolidated, so we don't know where ~you~ came from, we just know that X people came from Y site.

I spoke to the owner of GM BIll and he assures me the thrid parties they share data with are only the bank, and the webmaster (us). He's going to rewrite his xpeil to make it more explanatory.

I understand your objection to cookies in the case of say Amazon, where they keep trying to sell you stuff based on what you bought previously. I presume that's stored in the cookie anyway. But site like us just don't have the resources (or the motive) to try and track individual users. We're busy enough getting the content, servicing our members(!) and working on the next project.

Thing · 2005-01-20 03:11:12

Oh, I don't blame you, don't get me wrong. But you should be aware that sites that generate stats for you also generate stats for thousands, maybe millions of other sites, and they are able to link your exit page to another site's entry page by analyzing combined stats for the same IP in the same time frame. That's why they're called dm-tracking, extremetracking, etc. They do use cookies as much as they can, but if that fails, they can always run some pretty scary statistics by combining site statistics and looking for patterns. If you're interested in your site's stats only, run Webalizer over your Apache logs. Entry pages, exit pages, referrers, search strings used to find your site, IPs, page loads, stats, graphs, geographic break-down, user agents, it's all there, and it's blazingly fast due to its ability to deliver incremental statistics.

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Jo · 2005-02-04 22:13:02

Interesting that this topic (with nearly 7000 visitors) is the most frequented on the whole page... Shows what people REALLY want...

kirk · 2005-02-04 23:13:49

It is all Greek to me

highhard · 2005-02-05 03:48:07

i thought this was a discussion about alternative sites like agony. kind of got away from it.

ignored · 2005-02-08 20:22:03

Jo wrote:

Interesting that this topic (with nearly 7000 visitors) is the most frequented on the whole page... Shows what people REALLY want...

I didn't mean to start something, or draw people away from here. I think maybe "Alternative" was the wrong word to use for the topic. Alternative implies a replacement. I wasn't looking to "replace" beautifulagony, I just was wondering if there were other sites similar to this one. Apparently you guys are one of a kind.

kirk · 2005-02-08 20:39:06

I like this site because it isn't degradeing it is Beautiful people shareing there orgasms with the members.Most people masterbate alone.Masterbation is a very intimate thing for most people so the Agonees are willing to be Intimate with us allowing us to view there pleasure for example look at the overkill of the Japanese girl now that it is translated then view her agonee wow pretty hot stuf plus it is beautiful and very artistic

gourmand · 2005-02-23 14:27:24

Another excellent masturbation site is www.yanks.com. There is a freetrailer which shows a girl named mercedes. this is the best i have ever seen. she does it on the bathroom sink. check it out yourself.

kirk · 2005-02-23 14:30:38

Yes sir that is a Winnnnnnnnnnner for sure

ruby · 2005-02-24 01:54:51

yeah but is pretty boring...

but then again being a women maybe i am being a snob but do ya reckon they could put some time into some creative web design?

hey i am judgemental, but some interesting looking girls too?

suppose it depends on what ya lookin at it for 2!

each to their own peach tho

msnevil · 2005-02-24 09:20:33

Yanks is repackaged "old" meterial. Every year or so they change the website to make the updates newer then what they truly are.

While they do have some excelent meterial. (And I don't know anything of thier recent new addition. Some thing about girl masturbating another girl to orgasm.)I do know that they initially started "good" and then couldn't\woudn't? find new models to contribute.

They like Firegirls don't have the financial means to Grow a large website Nor the money to find more then a few "models" to contribute.

(just some thoughts to encourage discussion)
Personly, I don't think this website would have suceeded. If they didn't specialize into a "Art" type setting. (Face Only.) (with the Irony that most amatuer trades hide the face. )

Amatuer trading is the only way, I can truly aquire original Amatuer "orgasm" meterial. And this is always built on trust.

Most people don't want to be posted on the open net. So it takes a while for Trust to develop between traders. And if at anytime this trust is broken. Lawsuits or worse a "ruined life" might result. (like I found out by personal experience.)

So enjoy what is found here. For this is the closest you will find to truly authentic orgasm fetish experiences on the open net.

Oh spam bump...

http://www.abbywinters.com/main.php?page=im
http://www.abbywinters.com/main.php?page=im2

Buy them, so more can be made, please. Thank you.

Bishop Of Bath & Wells · 2005-02-25 23:34:50

There are some very enticing-looking 'o' faces at Sybfun (http://www.sybfun.com/svv-videos.shtml), shame that none of the material is available for downloading so far.

The web is absolutely crying out for a decent Sybian site. I know abbywinters came close to purchasing one about eigthteen months ago but for whatever reason it never happened, a shame because the results can be really spectacular!

Bish

richard · 2005-03-03 02:59:51

gourmand wrote:

Another excellent masturbation site is www.yanks.com. There is a freetrailer which shows a girl named mercedes. this is the best i have ever seen. she does it on the bathroom sink. check it out yourself.

Eh? I'm surprised you joined Agony...

highhard · 2005-03-04 04:45:07

the bathroom sink one is quite unique, i dont think ive ever seen one get off that way before

yYYYYy · 2005-03-13 05:42:47

Alternatives? i know it's boring reading a bunch of Great Idea Napkins... oh well, my turn...when i get a camcorder, which btw i would use primarily to record humans doing various work, i think i want to film the head only from behind, or from the top. another interesting project may be a series on ppl seated for various head operations: getting their hair cut, opening wide for the dentist or the optometricsit, drinking in a cafe. it's all been done before, andy warhol's screen tests for example.

i want to frame people in oblique ways regardless of what they happen to be doing. and this is my primary interest in BA, this neat idea of framing only faces. but i should say the concept stirs me more than the actual footage. something about the adherence to formal rules fascinates me in the same way crash test dummy videos with their variations through endless repetitions (same set up everytime yet no two are the same) fascinate me.

(rightclick save as, do not try to open in browser)

anyways, back to the topic of the big O, has anyone seen River Phoenix's agony in My Private Idaho? how about Keanu's agony at the end of Constantine when satan's squeezing his sacs?

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