neck up

Jo · 2005-06-03 08:26:19

monkey13 wrote:

The "concepts and philosophies" people talk about regarding BA are mostly phony and crappy to me.

Everybody has its own opinion... and I don't share yours.

Deeper · 2005-06-12 20:06:50

OK.

It seems to me there are three issues concerning whether this site remains a "neck up" only site:

1. Whether the subscribers want more than the "face-only" submissions offered to date. It's patently obvious to me that there are some passionately held beliefs on either side of this particular fence... NONE of which matters unless:

2. The AGONEES offer more than the "face-only" videos offered to date. This has to be a decision for the agonees themselves and only Richard and Lauren can say whether they have received any unsolicited videos of this type. If no-one out there wants to submit a "full-body" video, this discussion grinds to a halt. Even if there SHOULD be a body (no pun intended) of willing agonees out there, the final decision must be:

3. Whether Richard and Lauren have any intention of PUBLISHING anything other than "face-only" videos. If the subscribers want them, and there are a agonees who want to submit them; all is immaterial if Richard and Lauren refuse to change the character of the site.

For what it's worth, my *opinion* is:

This site is unique. Keep it that way. It's not like there's a shortage of "full-body" orgasm material elsewhere on the internet. Neck-up is FINE by me.

Jo · 2005-06-13 09:52:59

Deeper wrote:

This site is unique. Keep it that way. It's not like there's a shortage of "full-body" orgasm material elsewhere on the internet. Neck-up is FINE by me.

You have my full approval.

msnevil · 2005-06-13 12:54:44

What aggravates me. Is that we have either the Gyno Club or the face club.

I don't want this site to be anything other then "facial" shots. But at the same time. I just wished there was a website out there.

That Focused on the Holistic Whole person. Not Just T&A, Gyno, or Face.

I like ISM Due to its Natural expression of Nudity.

I just wished there was a website that focused on "orgasms" that way as well.

So yes, "Neck up" is fine. But I also wish there was more expression then just the "Face".

The Scot · 2005-06-13 14:14:57

This site serves a deep need for me. To me, coming myself was just a bonus. What really pleased me was watching my female partner come. Nothing can replace that meeting of the eyes at the precise moment when all senses are fully engaged in the deepest mystery in our universe.

Since my marriage did not work out that way (a very sad story), I have gone without that pleasure for most of the last 30 years. This site has restored some of the joy of life again JUST THE WAY IT IS.

Maybe other scenarios would be fulfilling, but I havent seen any. It has been my expereince that when the body becomes the focus over the face, beauty and mystery are sacrificed to lust, which gets cold very rapidly.

There are some other scenarios that might work well, such as profile, waist-up clothed, partner helping off-camera, etc., but the focus of this site is the essence of the fragility, fun, fear, vulnerability, and wistfulness of human sexuality. It is too precious to endanger in its purest form.

johnp54 · 2005-07-01 05:10:48

More does not always mean more nudity!
More exposure
More visual

I love to watch them and love listening to the sounds

If only they could pan the camera down to the hands once in a while and focus on the face at the right time.

Like so many others have suggested, more nudity is not a requirement, just more exposure!

monkey13 · 2005-07-09 04:54:50

>If only they could pan the camera down to the hands once in a while and focus on the face at the right time.
Like so many others have suggested, more nudity is not a requirement, just more exposure!

Bravo, johnp54! I agree with you 100%

The people who run this site seem to be rather inflexible about their silly ideologies, but a site that we look for will appear sooner or later.

Lago NY · 2005-07-10 11:17:10

I like this site the way it is. Please keep up the good work. I imagine those who wish to change it will at some point have the gumption to go out and invent the wheel on their own. Don't believe much in religion but I can imagine Adam and Eve at first quite taken with "Paradise" but later calling in designers, decorators, and all types of consultants to help make "Paradise" the "perfect" place, or put up a "parking lot" (sheesh, already)

asm2agny · 2005-07-10 11:57:24

monkey13 wrote:

The people who run this site seem to be rather inflexible about their silly ideologies

Monkey, why do you insist on denigrating Richard and Lauren's choice for what they want to do with their site? It's clear you don't agree with them, and that'sOK, but why must you make value judgements about thir choice?

Some people create web sites to make money; other people create them to have a forum in which to express their opinions; still other people have site just for fun. Richard and Lauren had created a site on which they have chosen to present certain material; this material is chosen based on what they want to "say" with their site. They offer this material for sale, but (at least to me) it's clearly offered on a basis of "if you don't like what we're selling go somewhere else."

monkey13 wrote:

>If only they could pan the camera down to the hands . . .

Purely on a technical basis: This means there would havee to be someone running the camera. From what I can tell, many (most?) of the submissions are done by one person. They set up the camera, put themselves in front of it, reach theeir agony by whatever method, then turn off the camera. Panning, zooming -- all those things mean at least one more person. Maybe couples would do that for each other, but I can imagine some who wouldn't want to. And what about those people who reach their agony with the help of their parrtner? Now you're talking a third person! A third person you trust enough to let them watch you perform oral sex (or whatever) on your partner! I think this would *GREATLY* reduce the number of submissions. Remember, we're talking mostly "amatuer" stuff here; Beatuiful Agony isn't a film studio.

asm2agny · 2005-07-10 12:05:02

Deeper wrote:

It seems to me there are three issues concerning whether this site remains a "neck up" only site

As I see it, there's only one issue: What do Richard and Lauren want to do with this site?

Now, they may consider finances whhen they make that decision, but they could chose not to.

If their primary gal is to make money then yes, they'd do well to listen to their membeers and take their suggesions.

But if they have a "vision," a "goal" if you will, of what they're trying to accomplish or say with this site then the only issue is, well, what do they want to accomplish or what do they want to say.

To me, it's pretty clear that they have a vision, and I'd be very surprised if they change it.

Would I want them to change it? *NO*! Do I sometimes want more, orwant other things? Yes -- but I'll find them somewhere else. My hope is that someone will be inspired by what Richard and Lauren have done and will create a new web site that's not "just another porn site"; I'm content to wait for this new site to appear, and I'm not going to try to force Richard and Lauren to change this site just because I want something else.

asm2agny · 2005-07-10 12:09:15

Richad and/or Lauren,

I can't remember if I've suggested this before or not . . . I think you should strongly consider making a "front page" for the main web site. That page could state what B.A. is all about, what you're offeriing, why, how, and what (if anything) you're trying to say or accomplish. In other words, a "mission statement."

Make it clear to people whay you're selling and why.

I think, based on what I see and what little you've written in the forums and what you've said in interviews that you have a vision, a goal, a statement -- why not come right out and say it? No, why not come right out and flaunt it? You're doing something great here, why not boast a little about it?

Thanks for everything!

No1steelerfan · 2005-07-10 12:10:03

johnp54 wrote:

More does not always mean more nudity!
More exposure
More visual
I love to watch them and love listening to the sounds
If only they could pan the camera down to the hands once in a while and focus on the face at the right time.
Like so many others have suggested, more nudity is not a requirement, just more exposure!

There are several videos here that contain footage of more than just neck up shots. The new overkill, being just one. 196 for another. And for those willing to search, there is even a video with a slight bare areola reveal. But to me, the interest lies not in knowing how they are achieving their agony, nor even the quality of it. The interest is in the expression and posture of the face during the myriad of feelings that one goes through on the climb to, the intensity of, and the glow after, the agony. Who once said that it is not the journey that is the thrill, it is the curves along the way.

richard · 2005-07-10 13:38:06

asm2agny wrote:

Richad and/or Lauren,
I can't remember if I've suggested this before or not . . . I think you should strongly consider making a "front page" for the main web site. That page could state what B.A. is all about, what you're offeriing, why, how, and what (if anything) you're trying to say or accomplish. In other words, a "mission statement."
Make it clear to people whay you're selling and why.
I think, based on what I see and what little you've written in the forums and what you've said in interviews that you have a vision, a goal, a statement -- why not come right out and say it? No, why not come right out and flaunt it? You're doing something great here, why not boast a little about it?
Thanks for everything!

Do you think it will make a difference to anyone who *ahem* comes here? Personally I like a little mystery.

erdna · 2005-07-10 23:30:33

This site and the request of many to see more than neck or shoulders up is the proof there is something to investigate. And then comes the questions. Why they do that ? Showing your face while making it is compromising but showing everything but not the face and you stay totally unknown. Or they think in showing their faces they always can pretend they didn't do it for real if somebody asks. I really would like to hear about the "agonees" about their deep motivation in showing up in BA. I have my idea but I can be wrong.

monkey13 · 2005-07-11 15:48:41

I have long since stopped subscribing to this site. But its hilarious
to see that my "site" here has been prosperous. I think i am helping
their (R's & L's?) business.

Lago NY · 2005-07-11 17:43:19

I can't remember if I've suggested this before or not . . .

I pretty much got most of what I wanted to know about this site from the homepage, free samples, about" page and the forums. Though a mission statement is hardly out of the question, I got the idea within the first 10 minutes of viewing. And I, presumedly, share "Richard's" feelings about how much mystery and imagination plays a part in this site (innovations and improvements not withstanding). Healthy curiosity led me to investigate more and I feel I gained as much from exploring the site as I wouldve from a formal declaration.

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Jo · 2005-07-11 22:06:22

richard wrote:

Do you think it will make a difference to anyone who *ahem* comes here? Personally I like a little mystery.

I also think that those who take themselves the time (and interest) to explore the site will get the goal behind in some few minutes.

The big mass will run through, post some wishes and unqualified comments and disappear again (for gods sake!)... Let them run through, who cares?

white_dragon · 2005-07-13 20:09:50

Neck up is OK, I just prefer the agonnee to make me believe she is topless. A little cleavage is exciting enough for me.

msnevil · 2005-07-14 11:34:52

The saying.
"Whipping a dead horse". Comes to mind.

Beantown_Man · 2005-07-14 18:32:49

"Mental masturbation" too - too much typing, not enough tossing!

I like face only - its the most intimate. A larger visual field and more motion would dilute the connection from shagging distance to along side the bed. I get a fair Idea of what a gal's doing. A busy shoulder and she's rubbing her clit. Squishy sounds and less movement, a g-spot worker. Shoulders strained and at an angle - both (poss. ass play). Nipple tweaking, abdominal contractions, and hip thrusting would be nice but not at the cost of intimacy.

Likewise, I prefer a woman to look me in the eyes when she comes, again for the intimacy. Eyes closed is fine if she needs to concentrate...and preferable to me wearing a bag over my head!

After joining isn yesterday, I may have to join here and lose more sleep!

monkey13 · 2005-09-03 08:54:09

Beantown_Man wrote:

I get a fair Idea of what a gal's doing. A busy shoulder and she's rubbing her clit. Squishy sounds and less movement, a g-spot worker. Shoulders strained and at an angle - both (poss. ass play).

I agree. I also like when the girl is neatly clothed (but not in pants).

Eye-contact is not "realistic" to me. I am not her boyfriend or husband. I am a dirty stranger voyeur.

pinguin · 2005-09-03 10:22:13

monkey13 wrote:

I am a dirty stranger voyeur.

Yes you are, you pervert (and so am I :-)

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