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syzygy · 2005-04-26 07:15:21

Just do a google search on "dirty debutantes" and you will find plenty of sites that offer Ed Powers' work.

richard · 2005-04-26 13:03:31

monkey13 wrote:

>We set out to show that the face is the sexiest human organ, and I think it's working pretty well.
No need to prove it. Read Bataille. But he combines face with cunt. That's the real eroticism. The point is how you combine them. Most of the porno stuff are garbage.
ISM, BA, et. Subculture. Phoney craps. Most of their "philosophies" i mean.
Money helps. No, money is the master. Money uses us.
By the say the latest agony (#259) is one of the best.

You really do write with conviction. But do you have any opinions?

monkey13 · 2005-04-28 04:22:49

>>I turn to Ed Powers' "More Dirty Debtutantes" DVDs.

>Hey, syzygy. Could you give me more information on this, like the link for it?

Hey, syzygy, I found the site. Actually, I had a video of "More Dirty Debtutantes." No wonder I thought "Dirty Debtutantes" was familiar to me.

Frankly, though, I found it mediocre.

monkey13 · 2005-04-28 04:27:22

>Just do a google search on "dirty debutantes" and you will find plenty of sites that offer Ed Powers' work.

Hey, syzygy, thank you for your suggestion. Actually, I had done a google search and found his site.

monkey13 · 2005-04-28 04:46:09

>If, on the other hand, the store's goal is something else (promote environmental awareness, organic farming, cruelty-free meats, a certain religion, a certain view of sexuality, whatever) then it's in their best interest to stay true to their goal. The people who agree with their goal will shop there; the people who disagree will shop somewhere else.

OK. I follow you.

>Maybe the store will stay in business, maybe they will close, maybe they will change their goal to stay in business.

>It's pretty clear to me which kind of "store" Beautiful Agony is, and I hope they won't change their goal just to stay in business.

Although I think the so-called subculture and/or popculture is crap, I am also grageful to it, cause thanks to I can enjoy nudes, cunts, and "agonies" of semi-pro girls. Lile many other guys, i'm sick and tired of those jaded cunts.

BA will survive some time, not necessarily because its concepts are unique/original or creative, but simply because there are so many guys who are fed up with those frizzeled cunts.

monkey13 · 2005-04-28 10:52:38

>BA will survive some time, not necessarily because its concepts are unique/original or creative, but simply because there are so many guys who are fed up with those frizzeled cunts.

Perhaps, this statement is not very accurate. BA will survive financially for some time not only thanks to those viewers who are sick of the regular porno sites, but also thanks to those "semi-pro" exhibitionist suppliers. Put differently, BA will thrive as long as this "semi-pro" trend of sex-culture continues. And this trend seems to me to be part of the on-going, runaway globalization. It's amazing to me that BA can post 5 clips a week.

At this rate, the day might come soon (or has it already come?) when even authentic virgins vie with each other posting their immaculate nudes and cunts and full-body "agonies" on the web. There may already be some (private and/or secret) clubs somewhere on the internet for such virgins. One bottleneck for such clubs is perhaps the law, because it seems to me that nowadays not many beautiful girls are likely to stay virgin beyond the age of 18.

Ell · 2005-04-28 11:37:16

If you're starting to see cunts as "Jaded and frizzeled" it may be time to lay off the porn. Seeing cunts as anything less than juicy and plump could be a sad indictment on excess.

monkey13 · 2005-04-28 12:09:52

Bravo, Richard! You did it again! #261 is going to be another of my favorites. #200 is superb (she shows part of her leg!) except for the tatoo on her breast (or am I mistaken?). I hate tatoos on a girl's body.

monkey13 · 2005-04-28 12:21:56

>If you're starting to see cunts as "Jaded and frizzeled" it may be time to lay off the porn. Seeing cunts as anything less than juicy and plump could be a sad indictment on excess.

Yeah. I actually hate (commercial) porn. To me it's only a substitute for the "real stuff."

I know there are tons of guys who don't care whether or not the cunt has fucked millions of men. To me they are simply insensitive.

memory · 2005-05-18 04:46:35

First, my congratulations and my gratitude for having put together a very erotic series of video clips. Whether by masturbation or the ministrations of a lover, the wide variety in the facial expressions and vocalizations of the women when they reached orgasm, are captivating. And even those who may have been faking were quite convincing. Many seemed to truly enjoy achieving orgasm, a nice thing to see.

Second, I suggest that a similarly tasteful series of video clips of the genital manipulations leading to the orgasms of women would be comparably erotic. To protect the sensitivities of those willing to participate, neither faces nor breasts would need to be shown.

I hope the time will come when women are able to accept their sexuality and free themselves from the deeply held concern that they are being used in all matters sexual. Personally, it has been a matter of great sorrow to me that my partner of more than 50 years has not been able to get past the notion that her sexual favours should be doled out very sparingly and with little enthusiasm. I married with high hopes that my partner would be as enthusiastic about mutual sexual gratification as I. But, those hopes were quickly dashed when I was branded a sex maniac, asked to stop pawing her when I caressed her and admonished well, if you must you must, but do hurry up and get it over with as I have better things to do.

However, I may well be delusional. Perhaps the vast majority of women are, and will remain, incapable of free, joyful and open sexual congress with a man because to them sex has always been and always will be, only a means to an end and not an end in itself.

Jo · 2005-05-18 19:58:35

memory wrote:

Second, I suggest that a similarly tasteful series of video clips of the genital manipulations leading to the orgasms of women would be comparably erotic. To protect the sensitivities of those willing to participate, neither faces nor breasts would need to be shown.

The main goal of this site is not to protect the identity of the participants (and in that way to degenerate them to a subject of the way how the genitals are stimulated) but to show that the face is the most erotic part of the body (even more than genitals are). However, some subscribers DO see the lovely agonees as subjects of their own sexual desires which I find mostly shameful.

:x

Cave1D10T · 2005-05-21 08:14:52

I stumbled onto this site tonight and all I can say is WOW. Its Creative, unique, and tastefully erotic. Though I agree with the no nudity policy, I would like to add that you can film from the breasts up and still achieve the same artist flare with out "cheapening" the concept. Areola arousal or stiffening nipples is another great way to show the stimulation on both male and female. Im not saying that the subjects need to touch their own breasts, let nature takes its course. I know it doesn't always work, and not all men and women achieve nipple erection during masturbation, but the ones that do....

Deeper · 2005-05-21 15:09:12

Interesting...

The views presented here seem to fall into one of two camps.

One group shares Richard and Lauren's oft-stated aims of demonstrating that a person's face and voice is a powerfully erotic and even artistic expression of their sexuality. The ideal climax of this sexuality (and, it could be argued, the ultimate goal of any non-reproductive sexual activity) is the orgasm. In order to explore this concept, the idea of removing all other sexual cues, such as explicit bodily depictions, makes perfect sense. Such boundaries permit far more people to feel safe and secure in contributing their recordings or in viewing those of others.

Another group seems to feel that the beneficiaries of this site ought to be those seeking sexual gratification from the video contributions herewith presented. They have a perfectly reasonable expectation that, if the site's view that depictions of orgasm are highly erotic, the sexual arousal of the viewer is to be expected if not actively encouraged. However, they seem to feel that there is a "supply and demand" issue here which I do not share.

It must be admitted that if a contributor is to successfully achieve orgasm for the purposes of furthering this site's aims, there must be a certain level of arousal and excitement at the prospect of SHARING their orgasms with others. While not necessarily evidencing blatant exhibitionism, it must at least involve acceptance that an "audience" is involved - either for artistic/academic appraisal or for less cerebral interaction.

It seems to me, however, that if one were to introduce sexual cues other than those of the face, one completely loses the point of this site - that the face and the face alone is a worthy subject of erotic exploration. It also seems evident that there is no dearth of bodily explicit material elsewhere on the internet. Those wishing for more than just the face have plenty of alternatives available.

I, for one, fall into camp one. Non-nude leaves one wanting more, adds a level of mystery which involves the imagination of both presenter and viewer, and permits one to remove any doubts as to the intentions of all participants.

I do, however, have one simple question for the agonees themselves... Knowing that None Nude rules here, I wonder why so many contributors give every impression of having stripped naked for their videos...? Hmmm?

Jakeview · 2005-05-21 19:07:51

I think it's obvious why the male contributors, at the very least, have their shirts off(most do.) I can't speak for the woman but, based on personal experience, I know I prefer complete freedom when I masturbate. No pants around the ankles, no shirt pulled up to my neck. I want to be nude and enjoy my entire body. That brings in a second element. Could it be that many of the solo, masturbating contributors feel being naked adds to their arousal? There's a need for many, I'm sure, to get in the mood, especially after spending time working on the technical aspects of the "shoot"--lighting, composition, etc. Perhaps stripping off one's clothes is part of the foreplay to self-lovemaking.

Jo · 2005-05-21 21:12:15

Deeper wrote:

...the sexual arousal of the viewer is to be expected if not actively encouraged. However, they seem to feel that there is a "supply and demand" issue here which I do not share.

Thanks for speaking out what I was not able to... And welcome to camp one...

It must be admitted that if a contributor is to successfully achieve orgasm for the purposes of furthering this site's aims, there must be a certain level of arousal and excitement at the prospect of SHARING their orgasms with others. While not necessarily evidencing blatant exhibitionism, it must at least involve acceptance that an "audience" is involved - either for artistic/academic appraisal or for less cerebral interaction.

I already had the same thoughts. I think *acceptance* is the point for most agonees. Surely there are some others who (e.g. taking part in other pages or discuss challenges for the next submission in public) are aroused by the involvement of an audience. But also the wish for overcoming yourself (I mean, you could be recognized by a friend who accidentally visits this site) could be an intention for taking part.

Deeper · 2005-05-21 22:28:17

Jo wrote:

(I mean, you could be recognized by a friend who accidentally visits this site...)

All I can say is, any friend of mine who visits this site could only go up in my estimation.

Fbrads · 2005-05-22 20:52:53

I must say Deeper, you really hit it on the nail.

shoulders · 2005-05-25 18:00:34

Beautiful Agony is about the faces and sounds people make when they experience pleasure. It's not about genitalia other erogenous zones. It's not porn, although it is sexy as hell.

There are many of the agonees I'd like to see nude. Hell, there are many of the agonees I'd like to see nude, on my bed, with their calves on my shoulders. But not on this site. To introduce nudity to this site would be to kill the thing that makes it so compelling. This site encourages us to use our imagination, rather than robbing us of it. This site projects us into the minds and feelings of the participants, rather than into their orifices. This site is about the sensual and emotional, rather than about the mechanical and predictable. This site is by and large about authenticity, genuine pleasure, and real intimacy, rather than about silicon boobs and laughably fake orgasms and sticking the camera as close to the moving parts as possible without getting bodily fluids on the lens. This site was designed to arouse hearts and minds rather than cocks and cunts. This site is not for you, Monkey13. Maybe you're just too existential and iconoclastic and cool for us, dude.

P.S. does your "Monkey13" moniker refer to your species and IQ?

Jo · 2005-05-26 11:12:55

shoulders wrote:

This site was designed to arouse hearts and minds rather than cocks and cunts.

There is nothing to add!

Belgareth · 2005-05-27 21:53:04

Jo wrote:

shoulders wrote:
This site was designed to arouse hearts and minds rather than cocks and cunts.
There is nothing to add!

And nothing is exactly what I will add, apart from complete agrement.

desertstarlight2 · 2005-05-28 03:22:57

I love the mystery in the camera angles with the agonees on this web site. Something -- or, at least the impression of something -- is always happening and, more often than not, it is very erotic.

I've also seen a lot of the Ed Powers "Dirty Debutantes" fare and comparing beautifulagony to Powers' work is a classic, albeit vain, apples vs. oranges attempt. Both are very good at what they do, but the concepts are totally different.

The charm of beautifulagony lies in that the viewer gets to fill in the gaps. Considering how much over-the-top stuff we can find nowadays (Powers' work certainly doesn't qualify as "over-the-top"), it's a great change of pace finding beautifulagony.

May both live on -- especially beautifulagony. If you think about it, beautifulagony has a longer potential shelf life. Powers has been at this a while; Nature does eventually take her toll. Masturbation or even the semblance of it spans millenia.

I'll take beautifulagony any ol' time, with all proper respect and a tip of my cap to Mr. Powers, whose work is excellent in its own unique right.

PC elmo · 2005-05-31 21:06:08

shoulders wrote:

... This site is not for you, Monkey13. Maybe you're just too existential and iconoclastic and cool for us, dude.
P.S. does your "Monkey13" moniker refer to your species and IQ?

Oh, boy. You know, the word "monkey" is, um, inevitably humorous, and, well, 13 is one of my favorite numbers ... OK, I give up.

I don't like being the one to say this, but some one really should: COME ON!!! You were doing so well, Shoulders, then cheapshots like that one really diminish the substantial stuff you've got to say. I'm all for joking around, but it's hard to tell sometimes what's in good fun and what's just plain mean.

Topic aside, I think the bottom line is that everyone is welcome here, even those a
little rough around the edges. I know I am sometimes.

Cheerier ears, and wri smyles, and onto next thread

shoulders · 2005-06-01 21:47:25

PC Elmo, you are correct. That was a cheap shot. It was, however, a reaction to this cheap shot from a previous post from Mr. 13:

"ISM, BA, et. Subculture. Phoney craps."

Beautiful Agony = phony crap? It's the least phony sex site I've ever seen.

But out of respect for this li'l community, I'll try to refrain from similar jabs n' japes going forward.

monkey13 · 2005-06-02 12:28:24

>This site is by and large about authenticity, genuine pleasure, and real intimacy, rather than about silicon boobs and laughably fake orgasms

No objection.

>and sticking the camera as close to the moving parts as possible without getting bodily fluids on the lens. This site was designed to arouse hearts and minds rather than cocks and cunts.

Laughable.

monkey13 · 2005-06-02 12:34:47

>Beautiful Agony = phony crap? It's the least phony sex site I've ever seen.

Most of the clips seem "authentic," and I enjoy them. The "concepts and philosophies" people talk about regarding BA are mostly phony and crappy to me.

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