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monkey13 · 2005-04-20 04:54:00

Could someone tell me why we see only the neck up? Any legal reasons?

richard · 2005-04-20 05:13:28

Because mystery is sexy!

meepok · 2005-04-20 05:30:59

yeah... i gotta agree with richard.

as much as most of us would love to see the whole thang, its the unseen that really excites us

the mystery makes it more erotic.

Lancefer · 2005-04-20 13:49:16

The fact that it is all (NN) non-nude, means many more contributions as well!

monkey13 · 2005-04-21 02:05:07

richard wrote:

Because mystery is sexy!

How come then those porno sites are full nudes? Vulgar? Ignorant? Well, they make a lot of money.

monkey13 · 2005-04-21 02:18:38

Lancefer wrote:

The fact that it is all (NN) non-nude, means many more contributions as well!

Well, this makes sense. But some people don't care whether or not their actions are NN. I think there should be an option for semi-nude and full nude for B.A. And this site is a voyeurs' site, right? i want to see the woman's whole body, be she clothed or not. I want to see at least the chest of the woman and her arm(s) busily masturbating herself. It's realy "mysterious" and arousing.

After all, this site seems commercial. I paid to come here. Then they (the "merchant(s)") should pay more attention to the customers' tastes and preferences.

Some of the actions seem to have been videoed in the same studio, 'cause I hear the same chirpings of birds and/or trafic noise.

richard · 2005-04-21 04:49:06

monkey13 wrote:

Lancefer wrote:
The fact that it is all (NN) non-nude, means many more contributions as well!
Well, this makes sense. But some people don't care whether or not their actions are NN. I think there should be an option for semi-nude and full nude for B.A. And this site is a voyeurs' site, right? i want to see the woman's whole body, be she clothed or not. I want to see at least the chest of the woman and her arm(s) busily masturbating herself. It's realy "mysterious" and arousing.
After all, this site seems commercial. I paid to come here. Then they (the "merchant(s)") should pay more attention to the customers' tastes and preferences.
Some of the actions seem to have been videoed in the same studio, 'cause I hear the same chirpings of birds and/or trafic noise.

Who says the girls are masturbating?

"Should" is not the right word. We do pay attention to tthe audience, but that doesn't mean they get everything they want. Our credo is clear - no nudity, ever. That's what makes Agony unique.

There is no studio.

monkey13 · 2005-04-22 01:34:40

Hey Richard. Are you one of the people who run this site?

I really enjoy it, but I am also very frustrated by your basic principle of NN.

>We do pay attention to tthe audience, but that doesn't mean they get everything they want.

True. But that dosn't mean we can't get more or at leat a little more.

>Our credo is clear - no nudity, ever. That's what makes Agony unique.

Fine. But I think there is no harm in showing a little more of the woman's (clothed) body. I would even pay extara to see more of the girl's body, whether or not she is clothed.

>There is no studio.

OK. I may be mistaken.

>Who says the girls are masturbating?

Do you mean they are just acting? Or do you mean their "beautifu agonies" have nothing to do with orgasm (sex)?

If they aren't masturbating, that significantly dcreases my arousal.

By the way, some of the women stare directly at the camera. That's stupid. That defeats the purpose of this site. I know some guys like their women stare at them during sex, but that's not for me, and that certainly goes against the spirit of voyeurism.

richard · 2005-04-22 06:50:42

monkey13 wrote:

Hey Richard. Are you one of the people who run this site?
I really enjoy it, but I am also very frustrated by your basic principle of NN.
>We do pay attention to tthe audience, but that doesn't mean they get everything they want.
True. But that dosn't mean we can't get more or at leat a little more.
>Our credo is clear - no nudity, ever. That's what makes Agony unique.
Fine. But I think there is no harm in showing a little more of the woman's (clothed) body. I would even pay extara to see more of the girl's body, whether or not she is clothed.
>There is no studio.
OK. I may be mistaken.
>Who says the girls are masturbating?
Do you mean they are just acting? Or do you mean their "beautifu agonies" have nothing to do with orgasm (sex)?
If they aren't masturbating, that significantly dcreases my arousal.
By the way, some of the women stare directly at the camera. That's stupid. That defeats the purpose of this site. I know some guys like their women stare at them during sex, but that's not for me, and that certainly goes against the spirit of voyeurism.

You lost me here, you say it's stupid because you don't like it? Persoanlly, I enjoy the clips with eye contact way more, and I know a lot of others do too. And this isn't necessarily meant to be voyeurisitc, just as the participants aren't necessarily masturbating - though obviously most are, I was challenging your assumption.

Yes I'm one of the founders of the site. If we showed a bit more of the body then perhaps people would pay more, or more people would join. And if we showed the whole box and dice (so to speak) we would make way more money. But, we aren't here for the money (though it helps). We set out to show that the face is the sexiest human organ, and I think it's working pretty well.

asm2agny · 2005-04-22 12:32:38

To Richard:

Maybe you should change the main web page to be a "statement of philosophy," rather than just the latest helping of agonies. Tell people why this site was started, what you're trying to accomplish, what people can expect, etc.

Several people in this thread have stated what they believe to be facts but are in reality assumptions on their part. A good example is that the "subjects" "have to be" masturbating: The front page could clearly state that there are no restrictions on how orgasms are reached -- intercourse, oral sex, masturbation . . . all are fair game.

asm2agny · 2005-04-22 12:39:08

To Monkey13 et al.:

Yes, this is a paid site.

The site owners have chosen to provide a particular "product"; some people will like that product, other people won't. As with any "store," it you don't like the products, you're free to shop elsewhere.

If the goal of the store is to sell as much product as possible then it is in the store's best interest to cater to the tastes and desires of their customers. If, on the other hand, the store's goal is something else (promote environmental awareness, organic farming, cruelty-free meats, a certain religion, a certain view of sexuality, whatever) then it's in their best interest to stay true to their goal. The people who agree with their goal will shop there; the people who disagree will shop somewhere else.

Maybe the store will stay in business, maybe they will close, maybe they will change their goal to stay in business.

It's pretty clear to me which kind of "store" Beautiful Agony is, and I hope they won't change their goal just to stay in business.

syzygy · 2005-04-22 15:26:14

I agree, ASM2.

There's a lot to be said for someone who stands true to his/her vision. And I have become an agonee devotee who admires Richard and Lauren for what they are doing.

Now I'll admit, there are times when I want to see more of the body involved in the "coming to orgasm" process. At those times, I turn to Ed Powers' "More Dirty Debtutantes" DVDs.

The women in his encounters are very much the natural look (i.e., the breasts that they were born with, non-bottle blonde) types who are also much in evidence on BA.

Simply, his formula consists of encouraging the "Debutantes" to pleasure themselves with fingers or toys for a while and then he moves in his his own fingers and tongue to help them along. They always have an orgasm or at least make a good impression in that regard. The whole body is shown and he gives them as much time as it takes.

After that, they move to intercourse, usually in a set pattern of positions. The premise is that these are tryout runs for women wanting to "get into the business."

His series is very popular and I would guess that many adult movie stores offer his latest work.

Just a suggestion for those who want to see more.

monkey13 · 2005-04-23 01:44:40

asm2agny wrote:

To Richard:
Maybe you should change the main web page to be a "statement of philosophy," rather than just the latest helping of agonies. Tell people why this site was started, what you're trying to accomplish, what people can expect, etc.
Several people in this thread have stated what they believe to be facts but are in reality assumptions on their part. A good example is that the "subjects" "have to be" masturbating: The front page could clearly state that there are no restrictions on how orgasms are reached -- intercourse, oral sex, masturbation . . . all are fair game.

Shit! Excuse my lungage, but to me it's so stupid to meddle with masturbation or non-masturbation. If more than 90% of them are masturbating, why quibble over the issue?

alaclark · 2005-04-23 07:07:21

monkey13, it occurs to me to wonder: are you one of those chaps who sometimes wonders why he has so few friends? If so, just read your own messages as if they'd been written by a stranger.

Purring2 · 2005-04-24 01:19:31

Ahh, another 'I subscribed and thought I was going to see more' post.
We all want more of lots of things, but this site is certainly fulfilling its mission and Richard and Lauren are giving us some of the best images and sounds on the web.
Everyday we're treated to someone enjoying their sexuality and sharing it with the world. This is in the tradition of 'always keep them wanting more', the way that great exotic dancers do. The tease is far more exciting than the actual mechanics. The upper curve of a breast, the tension in someones neck, the giggle at the end of the sequence heighten the experience.
Monkey13 if you want more, go rent a video. I'm sorry but your complaints sound like whingeing.

praza · 2005-04-24 17:27:17

For me somehow, the face (with voice) is such a turn-on because it seems to connect with my groin via my heart more than my mind. It's a much more subtle thing and I love this site for maintaining focus on it. The face is a sexual organ when it's aroused and that's when it's such a beautiful one... and so is the heart. But you can't see the heart except through the face.... Know what I mean?

Jo · 2005-04-24 17:42:18

Yes.

syzygy · 2005-04-24 17:53:26

Thanks for stating it so beautifully, Praza.

Amen.

DODurden · 2005-04-25 13:18:38

The BAs are beautiful. I just wish there was something more. Perhaps a second site. Not all the agonees would want to be on it, not everyone would want to chip in a bit more, but I think it would be grand if there was an option to see more.

'BA #397 is up, and has an upper half and full nude video on beautiful(whatever).com'

This second site wouldn't be updated nearly as often, I'm sure, but it would be lovely for those of us entranced by a particular girl/guy, and really wanted to see more of her, in several senses of the word.

richard · 2005-04-25 15:26:21

DODurden wrote:

The BAs are beautiful. I just wish there was something more. Perhaps a second site. Not all the agonees would want to be on it, not everyone would want to chip in a bit more, but I think it would be grand if there was an option to see more.
'BA #397 is up, and has an upper half and full nude video on beautiful(whatever).com'
This second site wouldn't be updated nearly as often, I'm sure, but it would be lovely for those of us entranced by a particular girl/guy, and really wanted to see more of her, in several senses of the word.

You'll find a few on www.ishotmyself.com.

dfwpeter · 2005-04-25 16:15:44

Richard - I think you have something wonderful here. I love the mystery and the fact that EVERYONE is equal here. I have seen women who are all shapes and all sizes and from all points on the globe but you can't hold anything against them becuase all you see is their beautiful faces in the throws of the most intimate moments of their life. Don't change a thing!

richard · 2005-04-25 17:00:13

dfwpeter wrote:

Richard - I think you have something wonderful here. I love the mystery and the fact that EVERYONE is equal here. I have seen women who are all shapes and all sizes and from all points on the globe but you can't hold anything against them becuase all you see is their beautiful faces in the throws of the most intimate moments of their life. Don't change a thing!

Well hi and welcome...nicely spoken.

monkey13 · 2005-04-26 06:21:31

>You'll find a few on www.ishotmyself.com.

Ism is a wonderful site, but the video versions are boring. No serious masturbation, no orgasm, as far as I see.

monkey13 · 2005-04-26 06:25:13

>I turn to Ed Powers' "More Dirty Debtutantes" DVDs.

Hey, syzygy. Could you give me more information on this, like the link for it?

monkey13 · 2005-04-26 06:36:51

>We set out to show that the face is the sexiest human organ, and I think it's working pretty well.

No need to prove it. Read Bataille. But he combines face with cunt. That's the real eroticism. The point is how you combine them. Most of the porno stuff are garbage.

ISM, BA, et. Subculture. Phoney craps. Most of their "philosophies" i mean.

Money helps. No, money is the master. Money uses us.

By the say the latest agony (#259) is one of the best.

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