Yes, but is it Art?

Portuguese Man'O War · 2005-01-09 08:26:47

Almost as interesting as enjoying Beautiful Agony is trying to define it. Objectively speaking it's porn, although of a very unorthodox sort. But is it also something more? Can we actually apply the A word here? Certainly Leonardo's brush would not disdain Agonne #1's serene beauty, and #87's long, elegant neck and perfectly oval face bring Modigliani to mind. Someone here has already noticed the similarities between the religious ecstasies of saints in paintings and the physical ones depicted here. Not only in paintings: one immediately thinks of Maria Falconetti's performance as Joan of Arc in Dreyer's silent classic. Then there are Andy Warhol's short films as a possible precedent. What about regarding it as a form of performance art as well? If you really had to, how would you label these intriguing little clips?

Jo · 2005-01-09 11:41:51

For me its definitely Art! Not (only?) the action behind the visible window is Art, but the way of presenting it. Thanks to all of them who give us a little view into their intimacy...

msnevil · 2005-01-11 22:30:05

Its porn due to its sexual nature. Please note, they had a big stink over in England over a "Faked" orgasm commercial.

I'd hate to see the reaction to a real one.

(God made sex, and man has tried to hide it ever sense.)

Jo · 2005-01-12 10:39:33

So if its porn in your eyes, you also think that some famous paintings (e.g. *la liberté* of Eugène Delacroix or others...) are porn, only because there a breast or any other sexual part of a body is shown? I think a breast has a sexual nature, but it is not porn! In ba there is NOTHING to see, than a FACE! I agree, that it is EROTIC Art..., but porn?

msnevil · 2005-01-13 04:25:19

The answer lies not in the "face" but the action involved.

blueruin · 2005-01-14 04:30:35

msnevil wrote:

The answer lies not in the "face" but the action involved.

porn and art are positioned as opposing forces. basic instict v. beyond ordinary significance.

in assigning a valuation to this site, porn or art, you have to look not just to the filmed action but the mindset of the viewer and the intention behind the intellect presenting these images.

no doubt, I'm here to watch people cum. I'm paying for it and the folks who put this site up are making money off of it. this = porn. at the same time, I (and I imagine others who are open to seeing askew), gain insight to the human condition and the inherent poetry therein.

for a century art has become less about the refinement of craft and more about the intention of the presenter. it's inarguable that this site has it's basis in sexuality and porn, but there is a clear intention to move through that and establish a new point of awareness.

sorry to get pretentious.

Tex · 2005-01-27 05:56:18

Art.

I can't explain the difference but I know it when I see it. It's art.

Tex

msnevil · 2005-01-27 08:30:06

The pretentious one is right. I rest my case.

RomanBoy · 2005-01-27 19:55:20

It must be art because it is beautiful.

It cannot be art because I would not show it to my mother.

It must be pornography because it turns me on.

It cannot be pornography because I don't want to masterbate while watching.

I really don't know what it is. All I know is that it leaves me feeling kinda happy in way that is very difficult to explain....

mxlpyk · 2005-01-27 22:11:43

Interesting discussion today regarding labels for what you might call the content of this site. Beauty, and the categories previously mentioned, will always be in the eyes and the mind of the beholder...

No person can legislate or label how another person sees the world.

See it all as you wish, baser or nobler, beautiful or non-beautiful, ordinary or exceptional. No matter how you see it, you are right!

I am all for beauty, creativity, eroticism, honesty, and a great cup of tea....

richard · 2005-01-28 13:31:13

Can't porn be art?

highhard · 2005-01-28 17:43:13

not todays porn. 99% is acting, fake.

highhard · 2005-01-28 17:49:01

agony can definately be considered art. porn hasnt been real since the 70s and early 80s. what i like to call the " bush days".

mcman58 · 2005-05-18 02:50:00

To me, seeing a woman have an orgasm and seeing the pleasure on her face is definitely not porn. I don't know if you could consider it art but there is nothing pornographic about it to me. It simply depicts a person in the ecstatic, undescribable pleasure that we call "orgasm".

Deeper · 2005-05-18 18:44:09

To quote Annie Sprinkle on the subject:

"In erotica, you caress me with a feather.

If it's pornography, you use the whole chicken!"

Jo · 2005-05-18 20:03:27

Deeper wrote:

To quote Annie Sprinkle on the subject:
"In erotica, you caress me with a feather.
If it's pornography, you use the whole chicken!"

I may add: ...you abuse the wole chicken

Fbrads · 2005-05-21 05:44:38

Lord I love this place. I'll try not to bore anyone, on such a great question. My limited understanding of the difference might be, the intent. Is it the intent of the artist (in this case the subject in the video, since they are taking an image themselves) to sexual excite you, or to express their emotion during this event? In my case, was it my intent to sexual arousal you, in showing a photo(at an art show) of a womans breast, or was I showing the awesome difference in texture between the nipple, and the smoothness of the breast? I hope I didn't get carried away here? At some point perhaps the definition between Art and Porn will have to be modified.

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